WTF is going on here??

[Smiffy]

If this is the case i'm sorry,and you can call me selfish,but I would not put myself at risk just because i was worried about loosing my job!
Druid did the right thing by not setting up the crane,where as if he had have just ploughed wildly on and buggered a tyre that would be a definite D.C.M
I would much rather walk away from a job than watch one of my colleagues get driven off site in an ambulance or worse

There are to many people in this country not in that position though the average savings of a uk household is £400 with something like 25% having less than £100saved
And these people are being abused
A good company is going to put the correct reporting systems inplace are going to maintain machinery and record it and remove them from circulation so therefore i think its perfectly acceptable to go after the companies that wont implement this
If they are doing things properly to begin with service and daily check sheets are nothing if they aren't doing it you have to ask why what are they hiding and what condition are there machines in
If check sheets are used correctly then there is no reason for a machine to be in poor enough condition to be dangerous and removed from circulation as faults are reported and rectified early possibly saving down time and money over leaving something until the operator refuses to use it

 

[Smiffy]

I should add that im fortunate to be in a company where you can refuse to do something on the grounds of safety
Every piece of equipment has daily check sheets
Every piece of equipment you use from lorry machines down to stihl saws chainsaws and beaver packs is recorded on your timesheet along with hour or mileage readings if available, time sheets are serial numbered and duplicated
Daily check sheets are serial numbered and duplicated
Any majour problems you can fix them yourself if you do so record it or report to the in house fiter or if a warranty problem or hydraulic hose call in am external fiter
If its a minor problem the fiters will pick it up when they get their copy of the check sheets and timr will be scheduled to fix it
This is about as transparent as it can get if an hse investigation did occur the person at fault be it operator, fiter, manager, or higher up can easily be located making it fair for everyone
Also unfair dismissal can be avoided as it would be very apparent as the serial numbers and duplication mean that you cant loose paperwork that managers want to avoid
I feel this is very fair as it means its in everyones best interest to do the paperwork and follow the rules

 

[Stock]

Well! here to operate certain plant on site you must have a ticket and that the law, however the cards are issued by a semi state body and only cost €25 to renew. I have 5 categories and it only costs €25 to renew. Did a managing safety in construction recently a half day course and the fffing thing was €215, in three years I need to do my safe pass and that is painful day costing €120, but is a legal requirement.

 

[Rob 210]

I should add that im fortunate to be in a company where you can refuse to do something on the grounds of safety
Every piece of equipment has daily check sheets
Every piece of equipment you use from lorry machines down to stihl saws chainsaws and beaver packs is recorded on your timesheet along with hour or mileage readings if available, time sheets are serial numbered and duplicated
Daily check sheets are serial numbered and duplicated
Any majour problems you can fix them yourself if you do so record it or report to the in house fiter or if a warranty problem or hydraulic hose call in am external fiter
If its a minor problem the fiters will pick it up when they get their copy of the check sheets and timr will be scheduled to fix it
This is about as transparent as it can get if an hse investigation did occur the person at fault be it operator, fiter, manager, or higher up can easily be located making it fair for everyone
Also unfair dismissal can be avoided as it would be very apparent as the serial numbers and duplication mean that you cant loose paperwork that managers want to avoid
I feel this is very fair as it means its in everyones best interest to do the paperwork and follow the rules

Proper Job

 

[Quattromike]

How much time is allocated each week for doing the paper work? I imagine we are 10 minutes each day just for time sheets that's upto an hour per person per week, just for time sheets. With the additional paperwork could be 2 hours per person per week. Approximately 5% of working time. I suppose this is passed on to the customer at the end of the day.

 

[Stock]

Did a site induction some time back and it was 2.5 hours with a written test afterwards of 15min............................

 

[Smiffy]

How much time is allocated each week for doing the paper work? I imagine we are 10 minutes each day just for time sheets that's upto an hour per person per week, just for time sheets. With the additional paperwork could be 2 hours per person per week. Approximately 5% of working time. I suppose this is passed on to the customer at the end of the day.

If you are an hgv driver it is compulsory to show 15minutes other work at the beginning of the day allocated to daily its compulsory and will be checked if you are pulled over
Hse do now expect to see daily check sheets and maintenance records for everything and some sites when working for another company you have to show your records to the site manager before starting work
It doesn't eat a huge amount of time as can be done as the machine is fuelled up, warmed up and greased of a morning
By the time you have greased and fuelled a machine you should have already crawled all over it so therefore ticking some boxes on a check sheet should only take a minute

 

[Mogman]

If you are an hgv driver it is compulsory to show 15minutes other work at the beginning of the day allocated to daily its compulsory and will be checked if you are pulled over

I didn’t know that had my charts checked a few weeks ago by DVSA I don’t think I’ve ever spent 15 minutes checking my wagon but they never said anything

 

[Smiffy]

I didn’t know that had my charts checked a few weeks ago by DVSA I don’t think I’ve ever spent 15 minutes checking my wagon but they never said anything

The dvsa are useless quite frankly and dont know half the rules themselves
If you get pulled by the hgv policing unit they are really up on it we had someone come into us who used to work on this unit come in to do our cpc modules and it was an eye opener seeing what they really expect if they want to find a problem

It was after there visit that all the things i mentioned above got implemented across the board as the as if its best practice for road vehicles its surely best practice for site machinery

 

[Quattromike]

Any reasonably responsible person operating a machine or tool of any kind will be checking it’s condition and operation regularly in any case. It’s the paper trail that lets most down as it’s most likely not been recorded as being checked.

 

[V8Druid]

as per title .... WTF is going on here?? ...... what a bunch *ankers ....

https://www.theconstructionindex.co.uk/news/view/citb-board-accused-of-shafting-300-employees

"At a time when major outsourcers such as Carillion have collapsed, Interserve is on life support and many organisations are insourcing their services; it is flying in the face of reason for the CITB to be undertaking a major outsourcing project.This has nothing to do with improving services "

it's a bloody disgrace " Unite has described the process as not a transfer of work but the CITB outsourcing a redundancy scheme. "

 

[Grahams]

Any reasonably responsible person operating a machine or tool of any kind will be checking it’s condition and operation regularly in any case. It’s the paper trail that lets most down as it’s most likely not been recorded as being checked.

I agree I hate paperwork and outside in the rain and cold it often doesn’t get filled out. Checks get done, but no record at the time.
The main problem is the blame culture. If there is an “incident” then the first response of most people is to cover it up before they get blamed. Much better to be like aviation where incidents are investigated to learn from the mistakes and make everyone safer. Obviously if you are a complete idiot you need to be blamed, but lots of problems come out of a chain of circumstances or a lack of understanding which it would be much better to put right than have covered up.
Graham

 

[V8Druid]

so here's yet another 'scheme' that's bound to end up costing .
https://www.theconstructionindex.co...-targets-apprentices-roller-and-dumper-skills
and WTF is going to be doing the monitoring of the green vests if.......
"A spin-off from the scheme is that skilled workers are spending less time driving rollers and dumpers and, consequently, are able to focus on those areas where they can contribute most effectively. "

 

[V8Druid]

and here's another scheme that'll only end up costing folks and make certain people a loadawonga

https://www.theconstructionindex.co...sation-plans-to-sort-out-plant-operator-cards

 

[Komatsu]

and here's another scheme that'll only end up costing folks and make certain people a loadawonga

https://www.theconstructionindex.co...sation-plans-to-sort-out-plant-operator-cards

The biggest joke of it all is that....all the questions and setting out come from America!!!.....just gone and renewed my touch screens and modulars (Tuesday), waiting to get started and the women told me, that she just had to wait for the daily update of the questions from over there???....she was as baffled as I was!!....had a couple of questions about what to look out for when lifting with the bucket on??, which is the complete opposite of the lifting ops modular I had to do?? And a couple about using semi automatic hitch’s??

 

[V8Druid]

The biggest joke of it all is that....all the questions and setting out come from America!!!.....just gone and renewed my touch screens and modulars (Tuesday), waiting to get started and the women told me, that she just had to wait for the daily update of the questions from over there???....she was as baffled as I was!!....had a couple of questions about what to look out for when lifting with the bucket on??, which is the complete opposite of the lifting ops modular I had to do?? And a couple about using semi automatic hitch’s??

Q. E. D. ......the so called supervisory structure is absolutely Clueless