What gives...

[Brendan]

A new 8t machine now is circa 80k Plus your extra's. A tiltrotator with trimmings is another 20k at least

You'll burn 120k minimum with a full spec 8t machine, tilty, grapple, set of buckets etc time it's spec'd up....

Then they go out pissing around on crap rates In my world a 8t machine is a £40/hr machine on a wet hire. My 175's are going from £35 - £40hr in January.... Trouble is there are too many dreamers going out to cover costs. Tilty or not alot of people are working at suicidal rates still!

The tiltrotator Bubble is exactly that in this country. There is not the onsite/management level brainpower to recognise the benefits it brings and increase the required rate to suit the machine specification... with the best will in the world they could be the best £20k you'll spend, but if the productivity is'nt reflected in the rate your pissing in the wind.

f**k it, I'm going backwards with my fleet.... 580 Hymac anyone?

That's the issue with plant hire at present, just seems to be a race to the bottom.
A shiny new machine makes no difference to rates and as much as I'd like a tilty just can't justify it - along with the costs for a larger machine and second trailer then somewhere to keep it all.
Realistically how much could a tilt rotator add to a day rate? Seems to be a case of only benefiting owner ops on price work

 

[Komatsu]

A new 8t machine now is circa 80k Plus your extra's.

Someone’s pulling your pants down with that price for a 8t machine Rory, mid-sixties tops as has been said

 

[JD450A]

Someone’s pulling your pants down with that price for a 8t machine Rory, mid-sixties tops as has been said

Last time I priced up (early spring) It was in the region of 75k+ for a Kubota or a Takeuchi on steel tracks. That's before you added the things you need.

Even at 60k it is overpriced compared to just a few years ago... Yes the basic Cat 307's are mid 50's I do agree.... But bar the undercarriage and blade probably why they are so popular

Edit - Just Checked the Quote - £76800 inc vat for a KX080 with steel tracks and geith hitch. I know the Takeuchi was well over 5k more from memory for a basic machine on rubbers.

 

[Komatsu]

Last time I priced up (early spring) It was in the region of 75k+ for a Kubota or a Takeuchi on steel tracks. That's before you added the things you need.

Even at 60k it is overpriced compared to just a few years ago... Yes the basic Cat 307's are mid 50's I do agree.... But bar the undercarriage and blade probably why they are so popular

Well you need to come up north and buy then

 

[JD450A]

Well you need to come up north and buy then

Just buy second hand shite.... Been offered £13k today for the rougher of our two TB175's.... just not quite ready to sell yet though i'm tempted to take the offer. Think it cost me £15k originally + Vat.

 

[Furniss]

Think mate of mine paid mid 70's for a fixed boom - lowish spec 8t Hitachi start of this year .................. I thought he had had his leg lifted

 

[Komatsu]

Just buy second hand shite.... Been offered £13k today for the rougher of our two TB175's.... just not quite ready to sell yet though i'm tempted to take the offer. Think it cost me £15k originally + Vat.

Well if it’s made you some money and you don’t need it, get it gone, thing is, when you want a buyer for it, there won’t be anyone around....see this lot are setting up on your neck of the woods...

there is an article to go with it but can’t link it.

 

[Regy53]

picking up from WH bond i assume

 

[Furniss]

Last time I priced up (early spring) It was in the region of 75k+ for a Kubota or a Takeuchi on steel tracks. That's before you added the things you need.

Even at 60k it is overpriced compared to just a few years ago... Yes the basic Cat 307's are mid 50's I do agree.... But bar the undercarriage and blade probably why they are so popular

Edit - Just Checked the Quote - £76800 inc vat for a KX080 with steel tracks and geith hitch. I know the Takeuchi was well over 5k more from memory for a basic machine on rubbers.

How come you asked to be quoted on a Kub ? thought you found them average at best ?

 

[Furniss]

Last time I priced up (early spring) It was in the region of 75k+ for a Kubota or a Takeuchi on steel tracks. That's before you added the things you need.

Even at 60k it is overpriced compared to just a few years ago... Yes the basic Cat 307's are mid 50's I do agree.... But bar the undercarriage and blade probably why they are so popular

Edit - Just Checked the Quote - £76800 inc vat for a KX080 with steel tracks and geith hitch. I know the Takeuchi was well over 5k more from memory for a basic machine on rubbers.

How come you asked to be quoted on a Kub ? thought you found them average at best ?

 

[JD450A]

How come you asked to be quoted on a Kub ? thought you found them average at best ?

New dealer locally (Vincents Tractors) taken over from MST..... Very good dealer, less so the product Not a fan of the KX080-4a. But they where keen to quote.

R.E plantforce.... We shall see. But they will continue to help race others to the bottom i'd imagian. Yes taken over from Bonds

 

[Komatsu]

picking up from WH bond i assume

Yeh, something like that I believe, think Molsons have jumped in as well?

 

[Gunners]

I had a price from CAT 2 years ago for a new 308 with rubber blocks on steel tracks, 4 buckets, 2 Aux lines, aircon, radio and hydraulic hitch for £52k plus vat. Thought that was a very good price for a decent spec machine. And that was before I did any negotiation. Literally an over the phone price.

This tiltrotator thing is interesting. Are larger plant companies thinking its the next big thing and investing before getting the right operators for it? It took me well over 200hrs to get the hang of how to drive mine and I had a keen interest in doing so - having just spent the cash! Would I be bothered if I was just told to drive it? I believe ECL have had this exact problem with drivers taking the tilty off and going back to fixed because they cant drive them/ don't like them/ I can do fine without attitude. The right operator can make any machine sing - tilty or not but the attitude has to be right.

There is no doubt that tiltrotators increase efficiency on the right work. Once you've mastered one you'll never want to go back if you can help it. But up to that point I did wonder if I'd done the right thing - others have said the same. It also comes down to the fact that if they aren't deployed right or hired out for the same money as a standard machine then they wont stick in the market. Because whats the point in having one if nobody sees the benefits.

 

[JD450A]

There is no doubt that tiltrotators increase efficiency on the right work. Once you've mastered one you'll never want to go back if you can help it. But up to that point I did wonder if I'd done the right thing - others have said the same. It also comes down to the fact that if they aren't deployed right or hired out for the same money as a standard machine then they wont stick in the market. Because whats the point in having one if nobody sees the benefits.

Nail on the Head

 

[Danny]

Yeh, something like that I believe, think Molsons have jumped in as well?

Next door to where i park my machines.

Same staff, same yard, different name.

 

[TiltyShaun]

Last time I priced up (early spring) It was in the region of 75k+ for a Kubota or a Takeuchi on steel tracks. That's before you added the things you need.

Even at 60k it is overpriced compared to just a few years ago... Yes the basic Cat 307's are mid 50's I do agree.... But bar the undercarriage and blade probably why they are so popular

Edit - Just Checked the Quote - £76800 inc vat for a KX080 with steel tracks and geith hitch. I know the Takeuchi was well over 5k more from memory for a basic machine on rubbers.

£76800 INC Vat is £64000 nett. There is a reason I am buying a 2015 machine!,

 

[TiltyShaun]

Yeh, something like that I believe, think Molsons have jumped in as well?

Check the shareholders at Plantforce and you will find the same names as at Molsons!

 

[Simon edwards]

As a small operator with three main machines I keep thinking maybe it’s time to take the leap on the three tonner,but when I take a step back and rationalise things I honestly do not think that the investment is justifiable,I could not charge enough on a hire rate to cover the investment and most of my work is on our own projects where I really can’t think of many instances where the convenience of a tilty is worth the outlay.Adding to this that the cost of one is equal to my budget for machine replacement and much like Rory I could add a further machine to my fleet for little more than the cost of a full spec tilty on an existing machine .Bearing in mind that the pool of skilled /experienced operators around here is fairly small,most customers are pretty impressed with the current services offered and would have no idea that such things exist let alone wish to pay a premium for it.
So as much as it would be fun to play with and I am sure once mastered would prove hard to be without I will just crack on dinosaur style for a bit longer(I still run an old 3cx as my main muck shifter for Christ sakes!).

 

[Arduainefs]

Well you need to come up north and buy then

Yeah think you all need to haggle a bit more.....we got our 2018 Kobelco fully fitted with demountable Engcon EC219 ECoil, DC2 control system and grab for less than 100K

 

[TiltyShaun]

Yeah think you all need to haggle a bit more.....we got our 2018 Kobelco fully fitted with demountable Engcon EC219 ECoil, DC2 control system and grab for less than 100K

What weight is the base machine