TipperTowing without o licence

[Russell]

Can you tow over 750kg with a 3.5 ton tipper van like a mits canter, isuzu grafter, nissan cabstar without an o licence if you dont go beyond 60 mile raidus?
I forget their term but what is a multi purpose vehicle? Does it have to be a lard rover or crew cab pickup to meet the exemption?

 

[Monkeybusiness]

If it’s not for hire and reward then yes.

 

[Stroppymonkey]

Others know more, but as far as I am aware I can tow upto 3500kg behind an appropriate work van (vehicle and trailer weights and train weights aside) within 100k if it’s our own goods and materials and not for hire or reward and NOT the drivers main job.
If the trailer has a net weight over 1020kg (or something like that ) then not exempt unless behind a DPV (dual purpose vehicle)

@JD450A usually able to advise ?

 

[Lancs Lad]

Done to death elsewhere but from the horses mouth :

Tachographs: rules for drivers and operators

Who needs to use a tachograph and exemptions; digital and analogue tachographs; guidance for goods vehicles, passenger carrying vehicles (PCVs) and light vehicles

www.gov.uk

 

[Stroppymonkey]

Devil is in the details.

This Vosa link explains it better - there is a specific page of expemption of the Gov. site somewhere but didn't have time to find it. It is a bloody nightmare trying to run a business using vans and trailers and staying on the right side of the rules and regulations.

https://www.diamonddrivertraining.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/small-trailer-leaflet.pdf

 

[DaveDCB]

Tangent - how do you go on if your doing a one off trip to say go pick something up from another part of the country?

 

[Monkeybusiness]

Tangent - how do you go on if your doing a one off trip to say go pick something up from another part of the country?

A mate got done for exactly that collecting a new self-propelled post knocker from down south. He got a chunky fine from what I remember. (I think it was at the weekend too, as he was worried about being overloaded - they didn’t even weigh him!).

 

[Stroppymonkey]

A mate got done for exactly that collecting a new self-propelled post knocker from down south. He got a chunky fine from what I remember. (I think it was at the weekend too, as he was worried about being overloaded - they didn’t even weigh him!).

What was he driving?

 

[Monkeybusiness]

What was he driving?

I’ll find out - I think an Iveco daily and trailer.

 

[Stroppymonkey]

I’ll find out - I think an Iveco daily and trailer.

This is why I have a pick up with rear passenger seats (DPV) . I am also about to get a towbar fitted to my camper so I can widen my area to satisfy my marketplace addictions.... but I need to clarify the rules on that as its still registered as a van.... but clearly a camper and not in a company name.

 

[JD450A]

You don't need a O licence for use domestically in the UK for that combination unless your trailer is made of lead. For reference concrete pumps, compressors, generators etc come under mobile plant anyway but should a knob get penicity if the lighting is affixed to the trailer chassis and the plant can be lifted off (whether it's bolted down or not) then the trailer chassis is the trailer.... The plant becomes a load.

You can go whatever radius you like within the UK without O licence with a 3.5t or less towing vehicle dragging a trailer...... However tachograph laws and driving hours are a different kettle of fish.

With regards to one of trips to pick stuff up as a sole trader.... It's not earning you money doing the trip, the item is not yet commissioned into your fleet and it would be unviable to run a tachograph for the journey once a year..... Opt for common sense approach and IF it becomes a problem be prepared to argue in court..... FYI I stop for breaks in that regard, take time stamped photos and write it down when needed. Whilst tachographs are a "legal requirement" the key laws are around EU drivers hours breaks.