Tilt-Rotator JCB 1CXT

[BillybobLockwood]

Hey All
I feel a bit as though I’m invading here, being from America, but we just don’t have these kind of forums.

This evening, I Finally ordered an EC 02b with a double quick hitch setup for my Cat 301.8.

having spent the week using a friends JCB 1cxt, I have really grown to like the thing, and am considering ordering one This fall. So the question is, how will the EC02b play with the backhoe?

I’m planning on ordering it bare stick, and putting an Engcon s30 mechanical quick hitch on it, so it can at least can share buckets and attachments with the other mini. The question is, what are everyones thoughts, opinions, and experiences?

 

[JD450A]

Unfortunately both our tilt rotator Rep's have abandoned hope and left the industry they where in not sure what that says.

Sticking a suitable coupler on is the most sensible thing by far. If you went half hog again and got a control system on the JCB as well you could share the tilty too.

 

[BillybobLockwood]

Unfortunately both our tilt rotator Rep's have abandoned hope and left the industry they where in not sure what that says.

Sticking a suitable coupler on is the most sensible thing by far. If you went half hog again and got a control system on the JCB as well you could share the tilty too.

I think The quick hitch makes sense for a lot of reasons, with the 1cxt having reverse drive, a grapple, and grade beam, could both be quite useful. I’m not really considering using the tilty “full time” but rather for the grapple, and finish work with a grade beam or grading bucket. I’m also considering just picking up a s30 tilt coupler, that would do the job nicely.

 

[Regy53]

The 1cxt from a stability point is a very solid unit so can’t see that being a problem. It’s a Jcb 803 pickup / pin size btw

also welcome to the forum , not invading all welcome

 

[BillybobLockwood]

The 1cxt from a stability point is a very solid unit so can’t see that being a problem. It’s a Jcb 803 pickup / pin size btw

also welcome to the forum , not invading all welcome

My concern has been the swing Torque, being only a gear motor, and the extendahoe, I don’t think I can order it with a normal stick here.

 

[Shovelhands]

If you go with a compatible hitch, then hanging the tilty on the machine and seeing how it handles it will cost nothing. You have already identified the sensible route of sharing attachments, so your not loosing anything there, as you already want the correct hitch for other reasons.
if it handles the weight then you can invest further in a control system for it.

and welcome to the forum

 

[Nick...]

I’d guess a double hitch would be well heavy on these machines unless ordered with very short dippers.ive allways fancied a tilty on my volvo ecr25d but it gets unstable at times with a standard long dipper and a bucket full of wet clay at full reach and a tilty would add at least a foot to the dipper length.anyway photos are allways well come on here @BillybobLockwood
nick...

 

[Randla]

Welcome to the forum.

As one of the departed tilty reps (thanks @JD450A ) I can add a few pointers without shouting about this or that colour. Firstly, if you are going to put a tilty on it you will have to specify EasyControl (not manual) when ordering the 1CXT. Having a twin hitch (S30) is sensible as it allows you to drop the tilty off when you don't need it and with this size of machine there will be times where it's either unnecessary or an actual hindrance. The mechanical S30 hitch will add around 10kg to the overall weight and 110/120mm to the height compared to a direct mount.

The other thing to consider is the control system. Not knowing what spec you can get in the States, I suspect you are going to have to go with a higher level (DC2 if it's an Engcon) tilty control system as a four (or six) hose solution on a backhoe (esp. a smaller one) will cost more than the uplift of the tilty control spec.

HTH

Robert

 

[BillybobLockwood]

Welcome to the forum.

As one of the departed tilty reps (thanks @JD450A ) I can add a few pointers without shouting about this or that colour. Firstly, if you are going to put a tilty on it you will have to specify EasyControl (not manual) when ordering the 1CXT. Having a twin hitch (S30) is sensible as it allows you to drop the tilty off when you don't need it and with this size of machine there will be times where it's either unnecessary or an actual hindrance. The mechanical S30 hitch will add around 10kg to the overall weight and 110/120mm to the height compared to a direct mount.

The other thing to consider is the control system. Not knowing what spec you can get in the States, I suspect you are going to have to go with a higher level (DC2 if it's an Engcon) tilty control system as a four (or six) hose solution on a backhoe (esp. a smaller one) will cost more than the uplift of the tilty control spec.

HTH

Robert

Sharp thinking Robert! DC2 is the plan, as several machines will share this( 1cxt, 301.7D, and jd35g) it’s the only option That really works.

 

[Randla]

Sharp thinking Robert! DC2 is the plan, as several machines will share this( 1cxt, 301.7D, and jd35g) it’s the only option That really works.

You're welcome, Billybob.

Do bear in mind that the control system and its installation is quite a sizeable proportion of the cost of the tilty setup - especially on smaller machines. This is why the numbers are more difficult to justify at the mini end of the market (although we do have a number of passionate advocates tiltied-up on the forum, so they can speak for themselves). It sounds as if you've done quite a bit of research before you got here but I'll flag up the fact that the John Deere is going to be too big for the EC02. Engcon rate them officially to 2.5 metric tonnes (we sold them in the UK up to 3t), but I wouldn't recommend anything over that. Steelwrist don't go that low, but from memory the R1 is rated up to 3.5t so it may be worth considering.

HTH

Robert

 

[BillybobLockwood]

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You're welcome, Billybob.

Do bear in mind that the control system and its installation is quite a sizeable proportion of the cost of the tilty setup - especially on smaller machines. This is why the numbers are more difficult to justify at the mini end of the market (although we do have a number of passionate advocates tiltied-up on the forum, so they can speak for themselves). It sounds as if you've done quite a bit of research before you got here but I'll flag up the fact that the John Deere is going to be too big for the EC02. Engcon rate them officially to 2.5 metric tonnes (we sold them in the UK up to 3t), but I wouldn't recommend anything over that. Steelwrist don't go that low, but from memory the R1 is rated up to 3.5t so it may be worth considering.

HTH

Robert

we have discussed this a fair bit with my dealer, from our understanding, the EC02b used to be rated for 3.5 ton, in addition I will be getting the longest boom and stick option available here, which puts its breakout force well below most 2.7 ton Diggers.
additionally, I don’t plan of “abusing it“ it will be most used on my two Ton machine.

what I’m really going for here, is all my small machines to be running S30, so they can all share everything. My dealer has inquired about an s30 EC 204, and if possible, that may be in the future as well for the larger stuff. Any experience running S30 on larger buckets?

 

[Grifferr]

Engcon used to make a s40 version of the ec02. Would have been nice to run everything s40. I run a 3cx bucket on s30 with no problems.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmpKTNuHMOM

 

[GazCro]

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we have discussed this a fair bit with my dealer, from our understanding, the EC02b used to be rated for 3.5 ton, in addition I will be getting the longest boom and stick option available here, which puts its breakout force well below most 2.7 ton Diggers.
additionally, I don’t plan of “abusing it“ it will be most used on my two Ton machine.

what I’m really going for here, is all my small machines to be running S30, so they can all share everything. My dealer has inquired about an s30 EC 204, and if possible, that may be in the future as well for the larger stuff. Any experience running S30 on larger buckets?

Doesn't matter how long a stick/boom combination you go for it's the bucket ram which will give it the most pain and that'll be the same whichever arm you choose. Having said that if you're gonna use a tilty properly for finesse work and awkward corners and not bulk work and hard going you'll be fine.

 

[Randla]

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we have discussed this a fair bit with my dealer, from our understanding, the EC02b used to be rated for 3.5 ton, in addition I will be getting the longest boom and stick option available here, which puts its breakout force well below most 2.7 ton Diggers.
additionally, I don’t plan of “abusing it“ it will be most used on my two Ton machine.
what I’m really going for here, is all my small machines to be running S30, so they can all share everything. My dealer has inquired about an s30 EC 204, and if possible, that may be in the future as well for the larger stuff. Any experience running S30 on larger buckets?

There may be some misunderstanding here. The Symmetrical hitch standards do not correlate to the individual tilty manufacturer's product ranges. S30 is rated to 2t (and generally sold up to 3t but not to 3.5t), S40 to 6 or 7t depending on width and so on. The EC02 is rated to 2.5t, although as I said earlier is fitted on machines up to 3t and, having checked their website, the R1 goes up to 3.5t.
The dealer may be telling you one thing but you may find that the manufacturer won't supply you with a S30 top hitch for a 3.5 tonner for the simple reason that it's outside the limits of the standard.
In my experience, trying to get one tilty to span different machine weights usually ends in tears. The only time I've supplied one successfully was an EC204 for a TB225 and TB240 setup. The general rule is that one selects the correct tilty/hitch setup for the largest machine and put up with the weight penalty on the smaller machine. The JD35g and the 1CXT are probably well matched but I think the Cat will struggle.
Robert

 

[Gunners]

@BillybobLockwood Welcome to the forum, we've been chatting through Instagram for a bit and you will fit in great here. Robert (above) was the main man for Engcon UK for the last few years so knows his stuff, and I can see your thinking of trying to get all 3 machines to one hitch standard but Robert is right, I think you will struggle to get Engcon to warranty it on the JD35

 

[Randla]

@BillybobLockwood Welcome to the forum, we've been chatting through Instagram for a bit and you will fit in great here. Robert (above) was the main man for Engcon UK for the last few years so knows his stuff, and I can see your thinking of trying to get all 3 machines to one hitch standard but Robert is right, I think you will struggle to get Engcon to warranty it on the JD35

Thanks for the vote of confidence, Ollie

@BillybobLockwood Having re-read the thread you started by talking about the Cat for which the EC02 will be fine. A twin hitch will, as I said, add a bit of weight; but will make the digger more useful for the times when you don't need/want the tilty. If you are really serious about fitting a tilty to the 1CXT and the JD35 then I would encourage you to consider a S40/EC204 option (or the Rototilt/Steelwrist equivalents) as this should be better suited to these machines. The EC02 is too small and, even if they will sell you one for the JD and you are careful with it, it may break and won't be warranted.

By way of comparison, the twin hitch EC02 weighs in at just over 90kg (from memory) and the EC204 equivalent is over 150kg. That's without buckets and your Cat is going to find that a problem.

I'd also go through the costs with a fine tooth comb. In the UK, a DC2 control and installation is around the same price as a bare EC02 (as Ollie @Gunners will testify). You will need deep pockets - or a stream of consistent, high value work - to justify putting tilties on all three machines on day 1. Bluntly, swapping the tilty (EC204) and all the attachments between the JCB and the JD makes good sense; stretching it to the Cat doesn't.

HTH

Robert

 

[BillybobLockwood]

Thanks for all the advice guys!

On costs, They are quoting 12 grand for the bare tilt rotator, 2500 for DC2, (four hose is not an option on my machine) 2500 for the instal, 4 grand for the smallest grab, and 800 or so a bucket. This seems insane to me compared to European prices, I have quotes from steel wrist, rototilt, and Engcon, and there all in the same ball park.

I should clarify, Mini machines are not my bread and butter, they are very much support equipment for large excavators, and dozers. For that reason, I can justify the Cost of having them all run S30, we need the convenience, I often work several hours from home. In regards to the Deere 35g, Deere makes a 30G With the same power and breakout specs as a 2.5 ton excavator, But it has AC , I think I may end up going that route, that size is Much more towable. We are allowed to tow up to 26,000lbs here, and I have a Diesel Ford F-350, But in reality, it is really hard on it Towing more than 10k.

I'm not really a fan of the overgrown 1.5 ton machine, but a 2.5 tonner simply won't fit when were backfilling and doing footing drain on Zero lot line developments. My Main priority, Is a tiltrotator on the 301.7d, but shared buckets and attachments between All of them, as things like grapples, compactors, and Auger are VERY expensive. I After some seat time this weekend on the 1CXT, I don't really see a need for a tilt, I may just Buy an S30 Tilt hitch for it.
Thanks @Gunners For All The advice, you've Been a blessing, and got me interested in JCB.

 

[doobin]

You're definately going down the right route of a standard hitch regardless. I don't even run S type, but all my grabs, powertilt, ripper, vee bucket, drainage bucket, auger, post knocker, rakes and more will all fit my 1.2t, 1.7t and 2.7t. It's so handy, I don't even have to think. Just grab the best tool for the job.