Tier 3 vs Tier 4 Telehandler engines

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Charlie17

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Hi Guys

I am looking for a 10-12m telehandler (construction spec) at the moment. At my price range, we are finding that it will be between a late Tier 3 model or an early Tier 4 model. Usually a Tier 3 JCB vs a Tier 4 Manitou.

What have people found either running or maintaining these machines. What would people recommend or prefer given the choice, bearing in mind that the slightly newer Tier 4 machines are higher hours.

I have heard that the JCB Tier 3 engine is a very solid unit. Not heard too much either way for the Tier 4 Manitou machines.

Thanks to all those that comment.
 
Quattromike

Quattromike

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I personally prefer the JCB telehandlers, not as fan of manipou and detest merlo. What age does it change from tier 3-4?
We have a 2002 and 2015 JCB 12m machines and are very similar, the newer has more safety cut outs when lifting heavier loads but is a bit quicker on the uptake than the older, the older you pretty much do what you want but be aware of the consequence. Both have the slightly higher output engine choice.
 
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Charlie17

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Quattromike said:
I personally prefer the JCB telehandlers, not as fan of manipou and detest merlo. What age does it change from tier 3-4?
We have a 2002 and 2015 JCB 12m machines and are very similar, the newer has more safety cut outs when lifting heavier loads but is a bit quicker on the uptake than the older, the older you pretty much do what you want but be aware of the consequence. Both have the slightly higher output engine choice.
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So Tier 3 was from 2008 to 2014. 2014 introduced Tier 4 interim which went until 2016 where it went Tier 4 final.

To be honest, I would prefer a JCB, but the newer manitou seems very appealing.
 
Regy53

Regy53

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That is standard though . So many country’s still do not want t4 and given the lack of t3 kit it’s driving the prices up regardless. We sold a t3 12 meter 08 plate to Jamaca a few months ago I was very surprised at the price
 
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DaveDCB

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Our T4 jcb are no problem, I wouldn’t go out of my way to buy a T3 over a T4 for any given reason,, still don’t have to worry about Ad-blue on the smaller engines so it’s all good 👍🏼
 
Regy53

Regy53

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I have a 13 meter manitou in today. 2014 2000 hours.. Has dpf but no ad blu... The nice things with Manitou's that we find is there very compact and as such the legs fold forwards rather than to the side. I always find that with Manitou's the 13 meter is on the 12 meter chassis so nice and compact, the 10 meter is on the 9 meter chassis so again very compact but a 10 meter jcb is of the 12 meter chassis so very big
 
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DaveDCB

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I’m 99% the jcb 10 meter is a 9 meter chassis.. sure we did a comparison on them all?
 
GazCro

GazCro

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Whilst you're all taking chassis length its worth remembering that boom length is v similar between them all (stands to reason using same number of sections to get to each height) and that jcb chassis may be longer but its mostly extra at the back which in reality isn't that big an issue. Ultimately manoeuvres wise wheelbase and steering lock are the best to compare.
 
T whiting

T whiting

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Yes normally a manitou sits a bit wider than a JCB. I've only tried one manitou with the mouse control and I could not get the hang of it but the lad who was normally on it didn't want a JCB as he didn't like the leavers. I quite like the old manitou controls though.

The 90° gearbox between the engine and transmission is worth checking for play on a manitou they can be a bit of a weak point and it's a hydraulic tank off job to change it
 
Regy53

Regy53

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T whiting said:
Yes normally a manitou sits a bit wider than a JCB. I've only tried one manitou with the mouse control and I could not get the hang of it but the lad who was normally on it didn't want a JCB as he didn't like the leavers. I quite like the old manitou controls though.

The 90° gearbox between the engine and transmission is worth checking for play on a manitou they can be a bit of a weak point and it's a hydraulic tank off job to change it
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Every single one rattles
 
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Charlie17

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T whiting said:
Yes normally a manitou sits a bit wider than a JCB. I've only tried one manitou with the mouse control and I could not get the hang of it but the lad who was normally on it didn't want a JCB as he didn't like the leavers. I quite like the old manitou controls though.

The 90° gearbox between the engine and transmission is worth checking for play on a manitou they can be a bit of a weak point and it's a hydraulic tank off job to change it
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What's the best way/how to check for play? Through the engine bay or underneath? Or can you feel the play when driving?
 
T whiting

T whiting

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Slide under and rock it back and forth or of there's 2 of you push it forward and back with the boom while the other looks over the engine
 
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