Takeuchi advice, Tb216 vs Tb219

[doobin]

I wish my hyundai held enough for a full day

 

[Neilporteous]

Im sure a new tb219 has a digital dashboard with fuel gauge.
I got a price for a Bobcat E20 just out of curiosity, they are coming in at £21700 on the interest free finance deal, that's with the long arm, quick hitch and 3 buckets.
Iv hired an E20 a few times but always found it a bugger for final grading due to the geometry of the long arm.

 

[doobin]

My E20 quote for the same spec back in October was just shy of 20k so that's a pisstake esepcially in the current climate. I do recall thinking the E20 was a lot more dough just to have ZTS though!

Just had a price through for a canopy E19- £16750. I'll want them to match JCB at a grand less for the same kinda spec but happy to make that up in options like 4 pipes. Would probably go short arm/long blade as I'm constantly frustrated with my Hyundai not being able to clean up against the blade.

What I'm thinking is, now hear me out, pin centres are the same on this as what I've standardised on at 125mm. So my Powertilt will mount direct or under the Q/H as I do currently. I'm wondering about an S30 4-pipe tiltrotator that I can then run direct on the E19 or under the Q/H on the E27. I know I'll get slated for PUP hitches but I simply can't justify changing upwards of twenty buckets and three hitches, and this seems like a fairly cheap way of getting reasonable (mainly landscaping use) tilty ability on two machines, one direct and one Q/H mounted.

My Hyundai has been brilliant but it's getting to the age where pipes, bottom rollers etc are starting to go, already done the tracks/sprockets, I'm thinking it might be best to move it on whilst it still has reasonable value and have new machine with 5 years warranty, dual prop aux, long blade, short arm, CTS (should never have bothered buying ZTS/extra counterweight), and a payment of only around £170/month if I can trade the Hyundai in for around 8k. Oh, and on paper there's significantly more breakout/arm power, and my Hyundai isn't short of that! £170 a month is really monkey money for a new machine with reliability and the benefits above. Oh look, I'm convincing myself!! plus I really like the 4 point tie down on the E27 and this has the same.

There's precious little out there that matches Bobcat for the specs I want personally and the 0% is very hard to ignore. Apparently they are about to bring out a deal at around 1% but with a 6 month payment holiday to start too, so that's an option depending upon how things progress with the current crisis.

 

[Monkeybusiness]

My E20 quote for the same spec back in October was just shy of 20k so that's a pisstake esepcially in the current climate. I do recall thinking the E20 was a lot more dough just to have ZTS though!

Just had a price through for a canopy E19- £16750. I'll want them to match JCB at a grand less for the same kinda spec but happy to make that up in options like 4 pipes. Would probably go short arm/long blade as I'm constantly frustrated with my Hyundai not being able to clean up against the blade.

What I'm thinking is, now hear me out, pin centres are the same on this as what I've standardised on at 125mm. So my Powertilt will mount direct or under the Q/H as I do currently. I'm wondering about an S30 4-pipe tiltrotator that I can then run direct on the E19 or under the Q/H on the E27. I know I'll get slated for PUP hitches but I simply can't justify changing upwards of twenty buckets and three hitches, and this seems like a fairly cheap way of getting reasonable (mainly landscaping use) tilty ability on two machines, one direct and one Q/H mounted.

My Hyundai has been brilliant but it's getting to the age where pipes, bottom rollers etc are starting to go, already done the tracks/sprockets, I'm thinking it might be best to move it on whilst it still has reasonable value and have new machine with 5 years warranty, dual prop aux, long blade, short arm, CTS (should never have bothered buying ZTS/extra counterweight), and a payment of only around £170/month if I can trade the Hyundai in for around 8k. Oh, and on paper there's significantly more breakout/arm power, and my Hyundai isn't short of that! £170 a month is really monkey money for a new machine with reliability and the benefits above. Oh look, I'm convincing myself!! plus I really like the 4 point tie down on the E27 and this has the same.

There's precious little out there that matches Bobcat for the specs I want personally and the 0% is very hard to ignore. Apparently they are about to bring out a deal at around 1% but with a 6 month payment holiday to start too, so that's an option depending upon how things progress with the current crisis.

My main concern with what you propose is build height on your E27 - two ‘conventional’ hitches plus a tilty would be a fair old sandwich.
The other thing to bear in mind is that if you have a hydraulic qh (and/or additional service through the tilty) you will still need 2 control systems (or as a minimum 2 wiring looms and you can plug/unplug the ecu as you swap machines). The looms and brains are pretty expensive (but would obviously be a point of negotiation at purchase!).
I’d think about having the tilty with an S30 bottom and loose pins in the top - you could pick up with your existing qh or pin straight on (not a massive ball ache on a mini) for the number of times you need to take it off/put it on. Get an S30 grading bucket (which is pretty much all you need!) and adapt anything else as and when you need it.
Go go go!!!

 

[doobin]

My main concern with what you propose is build height on your E27 - two ‘conventional’ hitches plus a tilty would be a fair old sandwich.
The other thing to bear in mind is that if you have a hydraulic qh (and/or additional service through the tilty) you will still need 2 control systems (or as a minimum 2 wiring looms and you can plug/unplug the ecu as you swap machines). The looms and brains are pretty expensive (but would obviously be a point of negotiation at purchase!).
I’d think about having the tilty with an S30 bottom and loose pins in the top - you could pick up with your existing qh or pin straight on (not a massive ball ache on a mini) for the number of times you need to take it off/put it on. Get an S30 grading bucket (which is pretty much all you need!) and adapt anything else as and when you need it.
Go go go!!!

Actually, that kind of makes sense. Thinking about it I might manage with just the grader and maybe a trenching bucket, plus the landscaping rakes (bolt on hitch anyhow)

Not looking to use a control system. Grab will stay with it's own rotator as a self contained attachment- I can't see I'd ever want to tilt this, it has plenty of flexibility as it is.

I want 4 pipes, pick up, plug and play for when I want to dick around landscaping with the E27, or pin on (same pin centres as q/h) to 1.9t when the job warrants the hassle.

I hear you re stack height, but I think it will be less than my current Powertilt under the hitch and I don't find that too awkward.

 

[Neilporteous]

Iv decided to completely rule out a bobcat due to the inflated price to cover the 0% finance, its a joke really.
Been and viewed a Yanmar SV18 today, it seems like a good machine, anyone got any experience with them?
Looks like its now between the Takeuchi Tb219 and Yanmar SV18, 219 is 20k and sv18 is 18k so theres a noticeable difference in price tbh, not sure if the tb219 would be 2k more of a machine than the Yanmar, any thoughts?

 

[GazCro]

Iv decided to completely rule out a bobcat due to the inflated price to cover the 0% finance, its a joke really.
Been and viewed a Yanmar SV18 today, it seems like a good machine, anyone got any experience with them?
Looks like its now between the Takeuchi Tb219 and Yanmar SV18, 219 is 20k and sv18 is 18k so theres a noticeable difference in price tbh, not sure if the tb219 would be 2k more of a machine than the Yanmar, any thoughts?

At 20k for 219 I'd hope its got a hydraulic quick hitch.

 

[doobin]

The bobcat e19 is less than the tb219 so how can you say it’s an inflated price?
I think the dealer is trying it on with you wth that e20 price!

 

[Neilporteous]

At 20k for 219 I'd hope its got a hydraulic quick hitch.

Have you priced up a 219 lately? Who is the supplier near you? I’d like to get a comparison for the price.

 

[Neilporteous]

The bobcat e19 is less than the tb219 so how can you say it’s an inflated price?
I think the dealer is trying it on with you wth that e20 price!

The bobcat basically has the APR worked into the price of the machine that would usually be in the finance, let’s be realistic here you don’t get anything for nothing now of days, the 0% finance offer is to get you interested and try to boost sales. The dealer said that he was looking after me on the price at £21700, he’s got a cheek!

 

[GazCro]

Have you priced up a 219 lately? Who is the supplier near you? I’d like to get a comparison for the price.

No haven't priced lately myself. Lad local to me changed one around the turn of the year i think was about 19k. But can't be exactly sure as he traded one in and i think tak may have had a price rise since then. For a clue on depreciation i think his trade in was a 4 year old 219 with just under 3k hours was about 4.5k to change.

 

[doobin]

I think you’re coming across as too loaded at al the dealers who was the bobcat dealer?

cant moan at 4.5k for 3000 hours! That’s a big plus point for a tak.

 

[Russell]

Tve in Oxford were a grand cheaper than bobcat of London when I bought my e10. I think the only difference in spec was oil cooler on the London one.

 

[GazCro]

Tve in Oxford were a grand cheaper than bobcat of London when I bought my e10. I think the only difference in spec was oil cooler on the London one.

Which if you were to do a lot of pecker work you need i believe. Demo spec i think I've heard it called.

 

[hiluxman]

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Which if you were to do a lot of pecker work you need i believe. Demo spec i think I've heard it called.

Yep. Theyve had melted hyd tanks before today, so the dealer told me.

 

[Neilporteous]

I think you’re coming across as too loaded at al the dealers who was the bobcat dealer?

cant moan at 4.5k for 3000 hours! That’s a big plus point for a tak.

Im definatley not, I plead poverty to them lol
The local bobcat dealer is McNae in Ayrshire, Scotland.

 

[GazCro]

I don't have any experience of the yanmar but how far away are the yanmar and takeuchi dealers?

 

[doobin]

Im definatley not, I plead poverty to them lol
The local bobcat dealer is McNae in Ayrshire, Scotland.

Well they're taking the piss with that E20 price. But I'd avoid Bobcat if that's your local dealer and they're going to be like that!

 

[Neilporteous]

I don't have any experience of the yanmar but how far away are the yanmar and takeuchi dealers?

Yanmar and Takeuchi dealers are both within 20 miles of me, the Takeuchi salesman is full of useful information and good to get on with, hes also not pushing me for the sale while a like, its really annoying when a salesman starts to push for the sale.

 

[Neilporteous]

Ended up getting a go in a TB219 today, the salesman arranged it in a local yard, I was able to dig a track and have a good go in the machine.
The hydraulics were very smooth and responsive, there was plenty of power and the machine was a pleasure to operate.
The TB219 definatley feels bigger that a 216 and my new Holland E18B.
So iv went ahead and ordered a Tb219!