Rail - MOT

[Lancs Lad]

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Fox Group ‘s first delivery of aggregate into our new rail siding, at Leyland Preston. It’s taken a huge amount of teamwork for this to happen, however, it’s great to see the train being unloaded. 1700 tonnes of MOT type 1, with over 1000 tonnes being distributed out tomorrow to our customers...

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Wondered what was going on...
surely they can use tipping rail wagon like the old coal ones? or am i being dumb?

 

[doobin]

#tarmac #freightliner #teamwork #carbonreduction #aggregates #rail #railways #freight #railfreight #safetyfirst #team #networkrail | George Leeming MCIOB | 13 comments

Fox Group ‘s first delivery of aggregate into our new rail siding, at Leyland Preston. It’s taken a huge amount of teamwork for this to happen, however, it’s great to see the train being unloaded. 1700 tonnes of MOT type 1, with over 1000 tonnes being distributed out tomorrow to our customers...

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Wondered what was going on...
surely they can use tipping rail wagon like the old coal ones? or am i being dumb?

Materials handler is how they do it down here. Makes sense, the infrastructure is whatever yard next to a siding that they can find, so usually not room to tip a whole train I guess.

 

[Grahams]

I've only seen it being grabbed out by excavator. I guess it is cheaper than the infrastructure needed for tipping and special tipping cars.

 

[V8Druid]

that must've cost some money to set up .... is there REALLY that sort of money in aggregate ???????

 

[Danny]

With HS2 going on yes I would say there is a big demand

Hurts and their fleet of lorries it makes sense they probably all leave the yard loaded in the morning before heading to their first job.. You only have to watch Ashville on youtube or follow baz on Instagram!

 

[V8Druid]

With HS2 going on yes I would say there is a big demand

Hurts and their fleet of lorries it makes sense they probably all leave the yard loaded in the morning before heading to their first job.. You only have to watch Ashville on youtube or follow baz on Instagram!

the demand may well be there Danny, but that set up will have cost multi-millions to create ..... be a very long time recovering the investment, let alone clearing a profit ..... wonder if they charge demurrage whilst train is stood?

 

[Danny]

the demand may well be there Danny, but that set up will have cost multi-millions to create ..... be a very long time recovering the investment, let alone clearing a profit ..... wonder if they charge demurrage whilst train is stood?

After a quick google, it's not new its been reopened https://www.lep.co.uk/business/eco-...ay-sidings-for-first-time-in-26-years-3986152

Sounds to me like they bought it at the right time after network rail had done all the work to get it back in order

 

[Smiffy]

that must've cost some money to set up .... is there REALLY that sort of money in aggregate ???????

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I reckon that was an existing yard and they have just chucked some Lego bricks in. I can't see that designing a yard like that from scratch that is the best option for putting the light columns. Also the crash barrier will be a nuisance. You see how much aggregate gets spilt some poor sod is gonna spend there life on a shovel cleaning the tracks as you can't get a machine in there

 

[Lancs Lad]

I reckon that was an existing yard and they have just chucked some Lego bricks in. I can't see that designing a yard like that from scratch that is the best option for putting the light columns. Also the crash barrier will be a nuisance. You see how much aggregate gets spilt some poor sod is gonna spend there life on a shovel cleaning the tracks as you can't get a machine in there

Wondered that.
Tbf Fox are absolutely on a roll atm mopping anyone else of decent size in the area. There tippers are literally on every job round here.
Have to say as for major projects there's a lot on here. A few massive highways jobs like M55 J2 and M6 J26-21 plus kirkham bypass etc so money's on tap...

Or I suppose the cynic would say when the music stops it'll be a helluva bang

 

[doobin]

that must've cost some money to set up .... is there REALLY that sort of money in aggregate ???????

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It's in the transport savings. From the article-


"To haul 1945 tonnes to Leyland Business Park from the company’s quarries, it would take 108 trucks totalling: 13,716 miles compared to 177 by train.
If it was done by truck, it would be 22 tons of carbon emissions but via rail, that’s brought down to seven tons of carbon emissions."

Fk the carbon emmissions, that's just a bit of greenwash. That's a shitload of drivers wages and lorry time saved- they can be out delivering this rather than hauling it from the quarry. I really don't see that it costs much to setup- the biggest cost is yard rent and that might not be as much as you think- very little other demand. They use an older JCB tracked handler down here, and a loading shovel for the trucks.

 

[Lancs Lad]

It's in the transport savings. From the article-


"To haul 1945 tonnes to Leyland Business Park from the company’s quarries, it would take 108 trucks totalling: 13,716 miles compared to 177 by train.
If it was done by truck, it would be 22 tons of carbon emissions but via rail, that’s brought down to seven tons of carbon emissions."

Fk the carbon emmissions, that's just a bit of greenwash. That's a shitload of drivers wages and lorry time saved- they can be out delivering this rather than hauling it from the quarry. I really don't see that it costs much to setup- the biggest cost is yard rent and that might not be as much as you think- very little other demand. They use an older JCB tracked handler down here, and a loading shovel for the trucks.

Ahar...it's the old MOD then Leyland then defunct..then network rail relaid it all for the blackpool electrification scheme in 2018.
Someone saw the opportunity...bet they got it for peanuts played lads

 

[V8Druid]

Ahar...it's the old MOD then Leyland then defunct..then network rail relaid it all for the blackpool electrification scheme in 2018.
Someone saw the opportunity...bet they got it for peanuts played lads

Fox have come a long way in the last ten years, fair play

 

[JD450A]

The cost of rail freight for bulk goods is a fraction of lorries, and no driving time directive.

Foster Yeomans used to use a fleet of artics to deliver from there quarry in the Mendips direct to site all over the south.... Notably for motorway projects. As soon as tachographs came in the lorries went. They also invested heavily in rail with multiple "virtual" quarries at railheads and specialist aluminium wagons rated to carry serious tonnage along with some of the largest freight locos in the UK at the time. The wagons could unload onto conveyers under the tracks.

The advantage with standard wagons and grabs is the ability to unload in pretty much any siding, serious capability with the right contacts.

 

[Bri963]

Wondered that.
Tbf Fox are absolutely on a roll atm mopping anyone else of decent size in the area. There tippers are literally on every job round here.
Have to say as for major projects there's a lot on here. A few massive highways jobs like M55 J2 and M6 J26-21 plus kirkham bypass etc so money's on tap...

Or I suppose the cynic would say when the music stops it'll be a helluva bang

Mick George spent over twenty years round here doing the same, and everyone was saying the same. He’s just selling out to Hanson at the moment, which will make a helluva sized group.

 

[6feetdown]

that must've cost some money to set up .... is there REALLY that sort of money in aggregate ???????

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Ashville aggregate on YouTube seem to do ok

 

[HuntingHicap]

They had a 30 ton cat down there the other night unloading as well, welderfabber on insta...welded greedy boards onto a grading bucket.

 

[doobin]

They had a 30 ton cat down there the other night unloading as well, welderfabber on insta...welded greedy boards onto a grading bucket.

Sounds like a huge potential for a fuckup. Why not just hire a second clamshell and do it properly?

 

[Smiffy]

They had a 30 ton cat down there the other night unloading as well, welderfabber on insta...welded greedy boards onto a grading bucket.

Where was that??
Days in Gatwick have a pair of 30-40t volvos with high rise cabs. They are impressive to watch.
The clamshells are far bigger than the materials handler one up at working.

 

[HuntingHicap]

Where was that??
Days in Gatwick have a pair of 30-40t volvos with high rise cabs. They are impressive to watch.
The clamshells are far bigger than the materials handler one up at working.

On the above site. Baz/ welderfabber on instagram posts a lot of good stuff, seems a pretty clued up guy. For a northern monkey

 

[Left hooker]

The cost of rail freight for bulk goods is a fraction of lorries, and no driving time directive.

Foster Yeomans used to use a fleet of artics to deliver from there quarry in the Mendips direct to site all over the south.... Notably for motorway projects. As soon as tachographs came in the lorries went. They also invested heavily in rail with multiple "virtual" quarries at railheads and specialist aluminium wagons rated to carry serious tonnage along with some of the largest freight locos in the UK at the time. The wagons could unload onto conveyers under the tracks.

The advantage with standard wagons and grabs is the ability to unload in pretty much any siding, serious capability with the right contacts.

Need to get the mothballed barden's meldon quarry up and running again near you rory
Rails are still there