Plant Sector Representative Organisation

[JD450A]

Well I figured the pub is the better place to talk about the latest group of wankers to try to take advantage of our industry and rape it for all that it's worth.

The Plant Sector Representative Organisation

https://www.theconstructionindex.co...JeniXEyqwnGmq46wQWftjnE#.XYSRcHinTEA.facebook

Opinions, I know what mine are.... I'm not a member of any naff association that wants a membership fee each year to support there lifestyles, sorry lobbying. All the gear on my fleet is hard won and to date we haven't killed or injured anyone, nor have we had accidents worth noting, machines hitting bridges or falling over........

If someone from the Plant Sector Representative Organisation (Congratulations on making a name hard to satireise btw, you have done far better than WRAP (we rape and pillage)) would like to come on here and explain themselves then please do.

 

[Grahams]

If someone from the Plant Sector Representative Organisation would like to come on here and explain themselves then please do.

It would be very interesting to hear how they justify the immense cost of these organisations and to have someone interact with actual operators and owners rather than issuing press releases telling everyone what we should be doing. It is all very well saying they have consulted with their mates in the big construction firms who are all in the trough together, but they are not having to dig in their own pockets to pay for it or waste their time on irrelevant paper pushing.

 

[JD450A]

It is all very well saying they have consulted with their mates in the big construction firms who are all in the trough together.

Perhaps we need to attend some of these consultation events as a large mob Even if they don't let us come we could take over the carpark Tuesday 19th November at Jurys Inn Oxford

 

[V8Druid]

....The Plant Sector Representative Organisation
https://www.theconstructionindex.co...JeniXEyqwnGmq46wQWftjnE#.XYSRcHinTEA.facebook
If someone from the Plant Sector Representative Organisation (Congratulations on making a name hard to satireise btw, you have done far better than WRAP (we rape and pillage)) would like to come on here and explain themselves then please do.

I tripped over this last Friday Rory and stuck it in me "WTF is going on here thread " another rip off scheme

 

[Rob65]

I’m not a supporter of any parasitic organisation feeding off industry.

The only potential bright side to this is that it might crack the strangle hold that CITB currently have.

Will be watching this space with interest.......

Rob

 

[JD450A]

I’m not a supporter of any parasitic organisation feeding off industry.

The only potential bright side to this is that it might crack the strangle hold that CITB currently have.

Will be watching this space with interest.......

Rob

The CITB are in favour..... make of that what you will!

 

[Gunners]

The CITB are in favour..... make of that what you will!

But the article says the CITB !!SOLD!! the CSCS scheme last year. So what do they care. Is my rather expensive CSCS card going to be valid now or do I need to sign up to CHAS and DAVE?

 

[Danny]

We had a customer this week ask if we were members of CPA as there insurances had recommended all new suppliers be members i replyed with No and we have no intentions of joining and asked them if they've even read the terms and conditions like traveling time should be paid to operators etc.

 

[JD450A]

But the article says the CITB !!SOLD!! the CSCS scheme last year. So what do they care. Is my rather expensive CSCS card going to be valid now or do I need to sign up to CHAS and DAVE?

I'd actually hazard a guess at how this will develop.

PSRC (Pleasantly Sedate and Rape Contractors - there It's done) will go about creating a new Industry standard, which will include CPCS/NPORS as acceptable however they will also add the need for Attachment Qualifications (As NPORS has done for years as a option).

This will create a new revenue stream, as you will need tickets for Breaker, Rototilt, Grab, etc....

All this is bollocks.

All the industry actually needs is a Lifelong NVQ the same as brickies, Chippies and other trades have..... this actually exists already! I have a Level 2 which shows I am competent with tractors, dumpers, telehandlers, excavators and small DTH rigs.....

By all means have a registrar scheme like Gas safe etc.... BUT it needs not to be a cash cow.

As far as i'm concerned CPA can sod right off.... the amount of s**t, brown envelope handling, subbie bashing wankers i've met that are there members in the past gives me that opinion.

 

[Komatsu]

We had a customer this week ask if we were members of CPA as there insurances had recommended all new suppliers be members i replyed with No and we have no intentions of joining and asked them if they've even read the terms and conditions like traveling time should be paid to operators etc.

The CPA , has nothing to do with the card scheme, they are a very worth while organisation to be part of, and will have your back if your in a bad situation with regard to help getting paid, legal advice if needed and help to have any damage repaired that has been done to your machine while out on hire.

 

[JD450A]

Some people may not like this opinion, but f**k it.

CPA has over 1600 members according to there website. Minimum membership is £306 a year. That's for turnover up to £150,000 for your whole outfit.
£306 x 1600 members is £489600.... which IMHO is a s**t load of money as that's the bare minimum?

Alongside there list of what they do https://www.cpa.uk.net/benefits/

Government and Regulators
CPA has an important role to perform as a link between Government bodies and the plant-hire industry. It has worked closely with the Health and Safety Executive (HSE) on a range of issues, and HSE specialists are an integral part of the work of CPA’s Special Interest Groups.

Since 2009, CPA has led the Strategic Forum for Construction Plant Safety Group, drawing together expertise from all parts of the supply chain in construction. Publications and projects for this group include

• Tower crane safety
• Use of quick-hitches on excavators
• Overhead crushing in MEWPs
• Safe use of Telehandlers
• Fitness for task
• Competence of plant operators

Training and competence of operators is a crucial element in safe use of plant, and CPA works closely with CITB, the Construction Industry Training Board. CPA has been instrumental in the development of training schemes and competence testing through the Construction Plant Competence Scheme (CPCS), for example Crane / Lifting Operations Supervisor.

I'm afraid Ollie that the quote above from there own Website, Highlights how they have been involved with CPCS as well as other numerous f***ed up money creation products (Quick hitch tickets etc).

Just my view, but wolf in sheeps clothing springs to mind

 

[Danny]

The CPA , has nothing to do with the card scheme, they are a very worth while organisation to be part of, and will have your back if your in a bad situation with regard to help getting paid, legal advice if needed and help to have any damage repaired that has been done to your machine while out on hire.

I mentioned CPA as they are mentioned in Rorys link above, they are more than likely linked to cpcs, cscs, npors if i did some digging on companies house im sure i could find a link between directors somewhere past or present.

CPA could only help you out if your clients agree to there terms which down here no one would sign.

 

[JD450A]

Peter Brown - Technical & Development Manager:

Peter has comprehensive experience in plant-based education and training and development, including 18 years at CITB working as a standard-setter for plant occupational standards, qualifications, training standards etc. and latterly as CPCS Product Manager.

Rob Squires - Training and Safety Manager:
Rob has spent many years managing training, card and certification schemes with recent experiences within the demolition sector and formerly with CITB managing a range of CSCS-based schemes.

Hmm Jobs for the boys.... or am I a Cynic

 

[V8Druid]

as Ollie says, they can be a useful bunch to be connected to ..... for when things get shitty or go pear shaped ... they have a lot of expertise (and clout) .... but .... they also have far too close a link to the cash cows too IMHDO

 

[Komatsu]

I mentioned CPA as they are mentioned in Rorys link above, they are more than likely linked to cpcs, cscs, npors if i did some digging on companies house im sure i could find a link between directors somewhere past or present.

CPA could only help you out if your clients agree to there terms which down here no one would sign.

There might be a link if you start digging, however, the membership has hardly gone up in the last fifteen years and they don’t keep moving the goalposts like the other crowds seem to keep doing. The main thing I like about them is, as Druid said, the expertise and clout that they have behind them.

Well if they don’t won’t to sign a contract for you, you don’t go on hire to them then, or you take the risk.

 

[JD450A]

Well if they don’t won’t to sign a contract for you, you don’t go on hire to them then, or you take the risk.

Down here I'm afraid Danny is right... you'd just be very very quiet.... I must admit that most of my hires are built on trust. CPA model conditions are fine on big sites or if kit is out on self drive. Beyond that you will struggle to get most to sign it.

https://www.cpa.uk.net/cpa-council/ A interesting one to Co Opt on the council too the more I dig the more unhappy I get

 

[V8Druid]

being a CPA member got me a few new tyres on the cranes over the years, when the site didn't want to pay ....." read your contract paperwork - you're responsible for them and keeping the site clear of debris and in good order ... deal with me or their legal guys "

 

[pettsy]

All the industry actually needs is a Lifelong NVQ the same as brickies, Chippies and other trades have

By all means have a registrar scheme like Gas safe etc.... BUT it needs not to be a cash cow.
.

I have a level3 NVQ in Plumbing, then had to do my ACS qualifications, then I can apply for gas safe registration. From then on I have to pay £500 a year to Gas Safe before I can work on gas. Every 5 years i have to refresh my ACS (£750ish iirc) which takes 3ish days for basic elements or longer if you work on lots of different appliances.

Gas safe (run by Capita)work on behalf of the HSE, and despite what they claim I’m not convinced they stop many of the cowboys. Unregistered engineers just stay under the radar and in the shadows yet registered ones have to pay out.

 

[V8Druid]

I have a level3 NVQ in Plumbing, then had to do my ACS qualifications, then I can apply for gas safe registration. From then on I have to pay £500 a year to Gas Safe before I can work on gas. Every 5 years i have to refresh my ACS (£750ish iirc) which takes 3ish days for basic elements or longer if you work on lots of different appliances.

Gas safe (run by Capita)work on behalf of the HSE, and despite what they claim I’m not convinced they stop many of the cowboys. Unregistered engineers just stay under the radar and in the shadows yet registered ones have to pay out.

tell me something that Capita does NOT have a finger in these days ..... they are EVERYWHERE and into / controlling everything

 

[JD450A]

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