Operated hire prices & rates

Huwey

Huwey

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Think I should have added that I have done plenty of price work for the company before and they’ve always excepted all my prices no problems. Hence why I assumed they would be sound with my hourly machine price.
I’ll happily do price work for them again. But let some other bugger do the other stuff 👍🏻
 
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Monkeybusiness

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Think I should have added that I have done plenty of price work for the company before and they’ve always excepted all my prices no problems. Hence why I assumed they would be sound with my hourly machine price.
I’ll happily do price work for them again. But let some other bugger do the other stuff 👍🏻
Did you ever give them an hourly rate previously, or was it always price work? You might have made a rod for your own back I’m afraid to say - they may start questioning anything you do on price in future…
(If they ever do that after accepting a quote just ask them if they would have paid you more if it had taken you longer? Then f**k them off and/or price everything even higher for them going forwards).
Never ever be afraid to turn a cuntstomer down, no matter how much work they give you. I’ve spent plenty of time being a busy fool over the years, and have finally learned when to say no to people!
 
Left hooker

Left hooker

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He was happy with the built in hourly price in your price work but not for the hourly on the additional week you did
Was there much difference in the 2 prices ?
 
JimboCX

JimboCX

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I charge £45 an hour for my 13 tonner. And an extra £10 an hour for rockbreaker etc. I’m not the cheapest in my area and I’m not the dearest. Most customers are all repeat business so I’v worked for them before and they know they will get an honest days work. If it’s a loyal customer who uses me and only me and pays quick with no nonsense i’l do it a couple of pound an hour cheaper. I believe in if your fair with me i’l be fair with you. Have had a few screw there nose up and say I can get it done cheaper than that. I just say that’s no problem. But remember skilled labour isn’t cheap and cheap labour isn’t skilled. 😂
 
doobin

doobin

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I charge £45 an hour for my 13 tonner. And an extra £10 an hour for rockbreaker etc. I’m not the cheapest in my area and I’m not the dearest. Most customers are all repeat business so I’v worked for them before and they know they will get an honest days work. If it’s a loyal customer who uses me and only me and pays quick with no nonsense i’l do it a couple of pound an hour cheaper. I believe in if your fair with me i’l be fair with you. Have had a few screw there nose up and say I can get it done cheaper than that. I just say that’s no problem. But remember skilled labour isn’t cheap and cheap labour isn’t skilled. 😂
Is that plus fuel? What area?
 
Gunners

Gunners

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That really does highlight the massive differences even between regions of the UK. You'd barely get a micro down here for that money (45x8=£360).

What does an average house cost round your way?
The house might be a bit cheaper Doob, but food still costs the same, so does diesel and the machine itself. The reality is the margin is tight on that size machine unless you can get it working on something specialist, which if you think about it, is what most of us do on here. Plenty round us going out for £250/day with a 1.5t and no vat... but they aren't on this forum much - or at least don't seem to join. We on here seem to be a unique breed of people so interested in plant that we want to talk about it on the internet rather than do literally ANYTHING else of an evening - but it does lead to good knowledge sharing and ideas get bounced around, some of which no doubt go on to earn that person more than the next man. And rightly so, you put the effort it and it should get rewarded.
Thing with a 13t is it will do a lot more £45/hr's than our minis will before it needs replacing, but it also has higher running costs and the depreciation is greater... I hired a guy in 2020 with a 14t and tiltrotator with all the attachments and Idig for £350/day+vat including fuel! Bloody good value if you ask me - I have no problem paying that invoice, you should see the work he got done with it in a week - I was £££'s in! 😁
But if you don't want to get involved in all the stuff we do outside of actually driving a machine, then I guess you are left competing against the rest of the market which is very competitive.

As for the OP's predicament, its sad that they took this view, but it is on you as the supplier of goods to set the price before the transaction. Even if you add it to your T's&C's that any extra over work above the priced work is at £x/hr, then if this situation occurs again, you have something in writing previously agreed by the client that goes in your favour. I know how it is, the work rushes ahead, you mean to have the conversation with the client but they arent on site or its an awkward time, and before you know it the works done and its invoice time. I've been there - many of us have! You pay to learn they say :LOL: Key is not to make the mistake a 2nd time.... I've done that too...
 
JimboCX

JimboCX

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That really does highlight the massive differences even between regions of the UK. You'd barely get a micro down here for that money (45x8=£360).

What does an average house cost round your way?
Know very little about the housing market. But I do know the Site I’m working on at the minute
That really does highlight the massive differences even between regions of the UK. You'd barely get a micro down here for that money (45x8=£360).

What does an average house cost round your way?
i know nothing about the housing market. But site I’m on at the minute has nice tidy well finished three bed semis for £187,500 and 4 bed detached for you I think £256,000. I don’t know how this compares to ur area. I’v said it loads of times that I make more money with my smaller plant than I do with the bigger gear. My rates are as far as I know similar to other diggermen in my area. Some are a few pound an hour dearer some a few pound cheaper. It’s a tuff old cut throte game. Photo attached of said houses. As i said I know nothing about the property market.
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Smiffy

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Know very little about the housing market. But I do know the Site I’m working on at the minute

i know nothing about the housing market. But site I’m on at the minute has nice tidy well finished three bed semis for £187,500 and 4 bed detached for you I think £256,000. I don’t know how this compares to ur area. I’v said it loads of times that I make more money with my smaller plant than I do with the bigger gear. My rates are as far as I know similar to other diggermen in my area. Some are a few pound an hour dearer some a few pound cheaper. It’s a tuff old cut throte game. Photo attached of said houses. As i said I know nothing about the property market. View attachment 54888

I did the tarmac for this site a couple of months ago. Inside the M25 but will be the same price for the machine work.

 
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Stroppymonkey

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When you can get a brand new 13ton on self drive / weeks hire @ £350 it’s not surprising

Know very little about the housing market. But I do know the Site I’m working on at the minute

i know nothing about the housing market. But site I’m on at the minute has nice tidy well finished three bed semis for £187,500 and 4 bed detached for you I think £256,000. I don’t know how this compares to ur area. I’v said it loads of times that I make more money with my smaller plant than I do with the bigger gear. My rates are as far as I know similar to other diggermen in my area. Some are a few pound an hour dearer some a few pound cheaper. It’s a tuff old cut throte game. Photo attached of said houses. As i said I know nothing about the property market. View attachment 54888
3 bed semi in my area (N. Devon) will be £300k. Site in my village of fancy 5 beds has just sold for £750K. My neighbours 3 bed detached with Single garage is £350K. A few doors down a big 4/5 bed with loads of parking is £525K. Very much cheaper where you are.
 
doobin

doobin

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Know very little about the housing market. But I do know the Site I’m working on at the minute

i know nothing about the housing market. But site I’m on at the minute has nice tidy well finished three bed semis for £187,500 and 4 bed detached for you I think £256,000. I don’t know how this compares to ur area. I’v said it loads of times that I make more money with my smaller plant than I do with the bigger gear. My rates are as far as I know similar to other diggermen in my area. Some are a few pound an hour dearer some a few pound cheaper. It’s a tuff old cut throte game. Photo attached of said houses. As i said I know nothing about the property market. View attachment 54888
That three bed semi would be £375k min down here! Insane.
 
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