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[Grahams]

Pulling the strap off what ever was banded didn't have gloves on but doubt that would of helped much

Just done an induction for a new company I hope to work for. Well, I say that, I want to do the work, I’m having second thoughts about the company. 5 point PPE as standard, so far so good, but want cut level 5 gloves. That is basically chain mail. How am I supposed to feel the buttons on the machine with them on?

 

[Smiffy]

Just done an induction for a new company I hope to work for. Well, I say that, I want to do the work, I’m having second thoughts about the company. 5 point PPE as standard, so far so good, but want cut level 5 gloves. That is basically chain mail. How am I supposed to feel the buttons on the machine with them on?

As in jumping on and off the machine or they want you sat in the cab geared up

 

[DaveDCB]

As in jumping on and off the machine or they want you sat in the cab geared up

Going to ask the same question, never been on a site where you need hat/gloves/glasses on inside machine.. with windows closed up anyway!

 

[V8Druid]

Has that stripped the thread???

I'd guess it's snapped at the end of the threaded machined area

 

[Mogman]

I'd guess it's snapped at the end of the threaded machined area

Yep snapped the end off was being a bit over zealous with it

 

[Monkeybusiness]

Just done an induction for a new company I hope to work for. Well, I say that, I want to do the work, I’m having second thoughts about the company. 5 point PPE as standard, so far so good, but want cut level 5 gloves. That is basically chain mail. How am I supposed to feel the buttons on the machine with them on?

Rostain ripeur gloves will meet that cut level I think - you’ll know you are wearing them but they aren’t ridiculously cumbersome.

 

[Grahams]

As in jumping on and off the machine or they want you sat in the cab geared up

Supposed to be worn by everyone on site at all times.

 

[Grahams]

Rostain ripeur gloves will meet that cut level I think - you’ll know you are wearing them but they aren’t ridiculously cumbersome.

Just looked. They will meet the spec, but there is no way I’ll be able to feel all the buttons on the walker whilst wearing them.
I normally don’t wear gloves to operate, but if on the no cab machine I just wear cut protection one cotton with nitrile or thin rubber on the face. Would normally meet the 5 point PPE spec and keeps my hands clean, but still reduces feel.

 

[diggerjones]

Just looked. They will meet the spec, but there is no way I’ll be able to feel all the buttons on the walker whilst wearing them.

Cut the finger ends off

 

[Smiffy]

Supposed to be worn by everyone on site at all times.

They sound delightful to work for.
We work for kier so pretty strict rules. There is a section in the site specific risk assessment whereby you can write in changes in ppe for health and safety reasons. A usual example of this is no hard hats in hot weather.
But you could play there game against them and refuse to wear the gloves on the grounds of loss of dexterity being dangerous due to uncontrolled operations whilst not wearing gloves in a machine having no foreseeable risks. If they are as up on their health and safety as they say they are then there should be a procedure for this situation.

 

[Shovelhands]

Supposed to be worn by everyone on site at all times.

I ended up on a site like that once, not actually working for the main contractor, but as they ran the overall site it was suggested that we followed their rules. When I saw the site foreman prancing around with some bigwigs, clearly not giving two flying fukcs about THEIR OWN RULES, I made the executive decision to do my own thing.

Be nice if the company your working for could apply some common sense and realise that you cannot wear all the PPE all of the time.

 

[Grahams]

. A usual example of this is no hard hats in hot weather.

I can’t believe any site that required hard hats would let you not wear them because it was hot. If you need head protection sweat is not going to protect you.
the five point PPE is a minimum for everyone, then you may need protection over and above. I’ve seen painters touching up paint in offices in full PPE working round office staff in their normal office attire. I know it makes no sense and the HSE guidelines say you only should wear PPE as a last resort, but health and safety officers need to justify their salaries.

 

[Smiffy]

I can’t believe any site that required hard hats would let you not wear them because it was hot. If you need head protection sweat is not going to protect you.
the five point PPE is a minimum for everyone, then you may need protection over and above. I’ve seen painters touching up paint in offices in full PPE working round office staff in their normal office attire. I know it makes no sense and the HSE guidelines say you only should wear PPE as a last resort, but health and safety officers need to justify their salaries.

If the risk of heat stroke outweighs the risk of falling objects then there isn't much argument. Obviously if working under scaffold or the like the risk assessment would call for work to stop but on something like a hand lay tarmac gang with no machines running then it is quite easy to justify removing hardhats in hot weather.
It's the whole point of risk assessments and if painters are wearing full ppe in an office environment then someone isn't doing there job correctly. Risk assessments are a two way street and if more people used this to there advantage we might have some reality restored on site.

 

[JD450A]

The trouble with generic policies is people rarely have the balls to challenge them..... instead pretending to agree and flouting them when it suits..... sooner or later the inevitable happens and the client has the ultimate get out clause that you weren't following the RAMS..... and that is the whole reason the 5 point PPE thing exists, to take the risk away from the client on the basis your unlikely to dress up like the man from michelin .

 

[Conor]

Just done an induction for a new company I hope to work for. Well, I say that, I want to do the work, I’m having second thoughts about the company. 5 point PPE as standard, so far so good, but want cut level 5 gloves. That is basically chain mail. How am I supposed to feel the buttons on the machine with them on?

Dpn dyflex are probably as light a cut 5 gloves as you will find. Personally I’d be arguing that their safety measures are impairing your ability to carry out the job safely. No problem wearing them when not on the machine, but when you’re driving just pointless?

I find with a lot of these safety “experts” are trying to outdo each other in how safe they make things without actually looking at what their decisions are actually doing. Had a safety director on a big earthworks job tell me we could no longer allow the rollers to reverse they had to do a u turn at the end of a run (it was a 1300 acre sand pit in the middle of the desert with no other trades there yet). He was a total knob, speaking down to me like he was some sort of demigod. So eventually I just said that’s fine we’ll just stop all the work (we’ll over 100 items of plant) because we have been given a rolling pattern to achieve compaction as part of the job specs and we can no longer achieve it or stand over any of our work. Few minutes later and plenty of phone calls, don’t mind that tosser just carry on as you were

 

[Grahams]

I think most of the the problem with PPE and health and safety is health and safety officers. They have to justify their job and all the sensible health and safety stuff was thought of years ago. Now instead of just enforcing good practice they feel the need to come up with more rules and it is only one way. I’ve never heard of a safety rule being relaxed.
In general I get on okay with health and safety inspections, but they always feel the need to find some issue and they have the power to shut the job down so you have to go along with them if you can.
The reality is that this is me and my labourer working for a multinational outfits who have a one size fits all approach to everything. The people at the top don’t care if I don’t agree with their policy, if I want the work I have to play along or they will instruct someone lower down the chain to find someone else. To them I am completely unimportant, but unfortunately to me they are very important as most of my work is subbed from large companies. The company with the glove rule has a contract worth £150m per year and out of that I might earn £15,000 per year doing something they have never heard of and have no interest in. There is quite an imbalance of power.

 

[Maxus]

Working at Porton Down planting trees was interesting with regards to health and safely. There was a risk of disturbing experimental chemical/biological agents long forgotten and buried underground. We were told if while digging any suspicious glass vials were discovered, run! Or something to that effect. We were also told, while shoveling bark mulch of the back of an ifor Williams tri axel trailer, to stand on the ground (as opposed to on the trailer) as we were not qualified to 'work at height'.

 

[Left hooker]

Working at Porton Down planting trees was interesting with regards to health and safely. There was a risk of disturbing experimental chemical/biological agents long forgotten and buried underground. We were told if while digging any suspicious glass vials were discovered, run! Or something to that effect. We were also told, while shoveling bark mulch of the back of an ifor Williams tri axel trailer, to stand on the ground (as opposed to on the trailer) as we were not qualified to 'work at height'.

Working with in eye sight of an navy air base that used to make sarin gas and other nasties when it closed loads of it was shipped to porton down

 

[Gecko]

A usual example of this is no hard hats in hot weather.

Can you guys get wide brims for hard hats?
I was working on a site with a 'tools down' rule when the temp passed 36C (It was over 30C by 10am for six weeks straight).

 

[Smiffy]

Here is a point of work risk assessment issued by kier
This is the part relevant to ppe and the box regarding relaxations of ppe.
Obviously there has to be a concrete reason for doing so such as you have stopped the task or ppe is causing problems. And it works both ways that additional ppe should be added during a shift if required.
For the hardhats last year it didn't get hot enough that I can remember but the year before everyone got a message in the morning saying hard hats been relaxed on relevant tasks due to the extreme heat.
In aus they don't even have reflective strips on their hi Vis as they magnify the heat and cause burns