OOPS

[Canal Navvy]

Fall down/Slide down it's still going down in the event of equipment failure so H.S.E. would be interested.
Winching uphill or pulling leaning trees over their balance puts us in the realms of arguing the toss on our R.A.M.S so in effect treating it as a lifting operation is safer I.M.H.O

 

[V8Druid]

That set up definitely looks like it is a lifting operation to me , in the event of equipment failure the load would certainly fall so here the whole kit and kaboodle would come under L.O.L.E.R. 1998

nah the line pull is from the bottom ..... with the high snatch block it'll deffo take some weight off the arse of the machine to stop it digging in , but'll never 'lift' it as such, just pull it in the right direction

Look at the way the tackle blocks are set up at the rear of the backhoe No way can it lift with the tackle blocks set like that as it will always slide down

 

[V8Druid]

Must be self powered as I can see a hydraulic filter in the winch base

Hodna fuel tank the other side too Mog

 

[JD450A]

LOLER doesn't cover dragging.... See the first letter of LOLER

 

[Bri963]

It’ll pull midway between the top and bottom runs. Doesn’t actually look like a set of brothers, Gra, looks more like a single leg with an adjustable link.

 

[Canal Navvy]

LOLER doesn't cover dragging.... See the first letter of LOLER

In a winching operation the load does not move if the equipment fails , if the load does move in the event of failure then it really is lifting according to the HSE ,or so they tell me

 

[GazCro]

Do we really care? If it was your machine you'd just want it out. No need to get anal about the job it's what's wrong with the snowflake box ticking arse covering world we're in now.

 

[V8Druid]

It’ll pull midway between the top and bottom runs. Doesn’t actually look like a set of brothers, Gra, looks more like a single leg with an adjustable link.

agreed ..
single leg and has a shortener hooked to the leg with a split coupler attached to that with the rope hook inserted in the coupler ...
it's still imposing an indeterminate load on the leg, its coupler and the masterlink though ...
looking at two differing rigs in the various pix too
if it's a lifting chain it shouldn't be used for pulling/hauling/towing .....
always carried a big tow chain on each of me cranes in case it was needed ...
and all op.s were under strict instruction NOT to use any lift chains for anything other than lifting, where the loads could be measured on them

 

[Lancs Lad]

Do we really care? If it was your machine you'd just want it out. No need to get anal about the job it's what's wrong with the snowflake box ticking arse covering world we're in now.

It must be a southern thing Gaz anything goes when something's stuck all covered under the heathrobinson act of 1890 or the dibnah act of 1980.

 

[Canal Navvy]

It does look well managed to me and there are different configurations they've used according to how it's going

Most of the box ticking is only necessary if the recovers have cocked up

 

[V8Druid]

In a winching operation the load does not move if the equipment fails , if the load does move in the event of failure then it really is lifting according to the HSE ,or so they tell me

it'd move on a slope though if being winched up it and anything failed, but no lifting involved

 

[V8Druid]

they got the bugger out anyway .... just cut the tag off the single leg and all is good ... no tag-no lift

 

[Smiffy]

In a winching operation the load does not move if the equipment fails , if the load does move in the event of failure then it really is lifting according to the HSE ,or so they tell me

That can't be correct. Loler only covers stuff that can fall. Otherwise just about everything mechanical would come under loler.
This operation would be covered by puwer.

 

[Canal Navvy]

it'd move on a slope though if being winched up it and anything failed, but no lifting involved

That used to be my view too !!

I tend to keep some brand new kit that I can use as a load capture just in case to back up the normal pulling kit (L.O.L.E.R. compliant)

I enjoy recovery as long as my wrecked kit gets replaced

 

[Canal Navvy]

I keep eyeing up the blue tooth load links in safety lifting services, one day I'll get brave and lash out the cash and discover just how much I torment kit

 

[JD450A]

In a winching operation the load does not move if the equipment fails , if the load does move in the event of failure then it really is lifting according to the HSE ,or so they tell me

I prefer to utilise the dictionary definition of lifting

"the action of moving something from a lower to a higher position"

Otherwise you've a hole load of nonsense such as a car pulling a trailer up a hill becoming a piece of lifting equipment as if the towhitch failed the load (trailer) would move.

Winches and Winching operations aren't in LOLER scope unless it is the intention to utilise a winch as a hoist (E.g) using a winch on a land rover via pulley blocks to lift a transformer vertically onto a Pole.... Such operations occur regularly in utilities hence why there snatches and winches are LOLER'd this causes much confusion unless you know why. Ironically the winches used for stringing powerlines (generally capstans) often aren't LOLER'd for the basic reason that they aren't lifting but pulling.

"LOLER 98 and MVR​

10 LOLER will apply widely in MVR, but the extent of its application will vary with the risk. Buildings are not work equipment, but where parts of a building are a part of, or support lifting equipment, LOLER will apply to them in as much as their suitability to support the lifting equipment and its loading capability needs to be assessed. The LOLER Approved Code of Practice (ACOP) L113² clearly states that for LOLER to apply the principal function of the work equipment should be 'to lift a load'. Equipment that lifts itself, or parts of itself such as cab tilt and tipper body mechanisms, are not lifting equipment as defined in LOLER. Equally, winches or similar equipment used for moving loads on level ground, or even small inclines such as onto recovery vehicles would not attract the application of LOLER."

OC 803/69::Application of the provision and use of work equipment regulations 1998 and the lifting operations and lifting equipment regulations 1998 to motor vehicle repair

OC 803/69::Application of the provision and use of work equipment regulations 1998 and the lifting operations and lifting equipment regulations 1998 to motor vehicle repair

www.hse.gov.uk

 

[V8Druid]

I keep eyeing up the blue tooth load links in safety lifting services, one day I'll get brave and lash out the cash and discover just how much I torment kit

it'll only make you weep

 

[Canal Navvy]

Level ground or a small incline ? ....define that one.

Practical working for me is if I'm comfortable around it with the terriers then it's safe , if the other half's terrier is in the truck then it's HSE aware time , if mine is in the truck then it's getting dodge, anything more than that and it's full on twitchy.

I turned up to an excavator drowned in a mill pond a while ago and quietly got the spills kit out, wrote the ten digit os grid on the bag, and layed out my emergency kit on the bank and then waded out to look.
Piss taking was done for being overly cautious, at some point I looked around and saw suited types with clipboards.
Once we'd got it to the bank ready to be craned out I was told that the suits had said "all looks under control" and left

 

[V8Druid]

 

[modelman093]

I think that the bogged Huddig is equipped for pole erection so may be the “winch” is for cable stringing. That or skyline timber extraction.