TiltyShaun
Well-known member
Cheltenham job with very tight site was £250 per 8w grab plus vat
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Gez_lewis
Active member
I agree with this! Needs stopping to make it a level playing field!
Big Jordy
Well-known member
Just to add a different take on the whole tractor haulage debate i have heard over here that a fella has got a fastrac registered as an hgv.. all tested, o licence tacho the whole works.. along with a dump trailer and low loader trailer.. apparently both trailers and tractor have abs.. and from the grapevine i hear he is doing pretty well.. oh and not a drop of red in sight lol
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Giles
Well-known member
There’s an article somewhere from jcb which states a fastrac can not be a hgv, think graham black earthmovers editor posted it. The guy I use runs white tachometer op license etc but he’s an agg contractor as well lines get blurred
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Brendan
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8 wheel grab around £200 plus vat a few are £240 plus vat
8 yrd skips anywhere from £128-200 for spoil (lower price is a national broker higher is the greedy twats local)
Northamptonshire
8 yrd skips anywhere from £128-200 for spoil (lower price is a national broker higher is the greedy twats local)
Northamptonshire
Big Jordy
Well-known member
Fastrac as far as i know can be tested as an hgv providing it has abs braking and as its one of only a handful of tractors that are sprung all round and have a steering box and lorry spec brakes.. I'm not honestly sure if there are maybe wee differences over here compared to the mainland.. can of worms but that fella over here has it all by the book
Jordan
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Giles
Well-known member
Legal Operation
The JCB Fastrac currently does not have national approval as an HGV. It was eligible for this in the late 1990s until the emission and noise requirements for an HGV became more stringent. The current JCB Fastrac has a state of the art agricultural engine that meets all the requirements for an agricultural vehicle but does not meet the requirements for an HGV.
The absence of national type approval does not prohibit the Fastrac from performing haulage work. This can be done legally by registering the Fastrac as a “Locomotive” in the DVLA category for general haulage. As with any HGV it would have to use white diesel, it would require a tachograph to be fitted and the vehicle must be recorded on the operator’s “O” licence. The driver would require a Category C+E licence.
As a locomotive the Fastrac would be restricted to a maximum speed of 40 mph on motorways and 30 mph on other roads unless there is a lower maximum speed limit in force. It is worth noting that other conventional agricultural tractors registered as “locomotives” would be restricted to 20 mph because they are not equipped with full fourwheel suspension.
However, registered as a locomotive means that the Fastrac can only tow “full” or “balanced” trailers, it is not permitted tow a semitrailer. By definition a locomotive cannot carry any load other than equipment for its own use i.e. water, oil etc but as a semitrailer imposes a vertical load on the towing hitch of the motor vehicle a locomotive is not allowed tow them. This causes a big problem because the operators who want to perform these offroad duties typically have tanker type semitrailers purpose made for distributing liquid waste product onto the land. See picture under Customer Expectations.
Scoff
Member
I've a pair of tractors that cost me over £100k each,the last thing I want to do is drag a trailer full of muck about on the road with them,the tyres on each cost towards £10k for a set and the savings on red at 4mpg aren't worth s**t.
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Gez_lewis
Active member
We farm aswell - tractors for field wagons for the road, everything's got its own job
V8Druid
do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
but teach him to spellYou should have that written across the counterweight, could become a company motto....
.... it's "TOO short" ..... gotta keep up the campaign ... for Tim if now't else
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Matt
Member
In South London and Surrey we are paying anything from £260-£300 for an eight wheeler load depending on material and number of loads
Scoff
Member
Anyroad 8 wheeler grab is £135 here,we really need to lift prices but the lads on the fiddle keep the price down.
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Monkeybusiness
Well-known member
Exactly this - I can’t see how running a tractor on the road for haulage is cheaper than a wagon if you are taking all costs into account. It might be a nice little foreigner using the farm’s machinery/fuel/tyres for the odd little job but that’s not a realistic way of operating.
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Gez_lewis
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Smiffy
Well-known member
It can ad up in one way and thats if the road work is a very tiny percent of the tractors work
If you need a tractor 99% of the time a wagon for the 1% is very expensive
And depending on what the other task are the tractor may be running on white anyway
pettsy
Well-known member
No operators license/mot/cpc/hgv license/tacho etc has got to reduce costs compared to lorry.
Quattromike
Well member-known
Also no drivers break required when you're bouncing along on the seat of the tractor but in the hgv it's 45 mins every 4.5 hrs
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Gez_lewis
Active member
There's a que of young lads to drive a new Deere or nice fendt aswell! I passed a lovely looking setup near clitheroe today big fendt pulling a tri axle hookloader all looked near new, a lot of money's worth to be moving rubbish!
Gunners
Well-known member
Yeh right! £260-£280 round here for an 8 wheel grab.
JD450A
Feral as Fk 🐾
Er no,
To be honest our lorry has cost us around 4k to stand still this past 12 months, £2500 of that is the insurance (down to £1400 this coming year), about £1000 on R&M and then £500 on Tax and O license. That is for a vehicle that can earn £1000 profit a day in the right situation.
Tractor muck away is usually only cheap because the farmers see there tip space as a free entity. £100 a load is often the basis
At £10 a ton tipping fee they would be loosing £60 a load before fuel, but they tip for free.... Totally illegal, but no one cares.... wonder what would happen if I started doing it myself HGV is the way to go unless access is severely restricted or involves serious off highway work.
Bottom line is where there's muck there's brass. Trouble as always is we are constantly berated on two fronts, Undercut by those who are ignoring the laws completely and chased and hindered by authorities that fail miserably to target the completely illegal outfits but are more than happy to berate and cause stress for those that are trying. I'm constantly questioning whether or not to jack the skips and swap out for a very short (modified tractor unit) beavertail wagon. Fine lines.
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