Hi to all

[Alepine]

Hi, My name is Rudy.
My interests are classic plant and agricultural machinery. I have a Ford 550 digger and a couple of classic tractors.
Thanks for letting me join.
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[V8Druid]

welcome Boyo .. any pix of your kit? we all love pix

 

[Mogman]

Hi, My name is Rudy.
My interests are classic plant and agricultural machinery. I have a Ford 550 digger and a couple of classic tractors.
Thanks for letting me join.

Are you sure your name isn’t Rory

 

[bobthebuilder]

Are you sure your name isn’t Rory

rory wouldnt call them classics ,he"d call them modern working machines

 

[Monkeybusiness]

rory wouldnt call them classics ,he"d call them modern working machines

I think he’s mostly right to be honest - if machines work safely, can earn money and can be easily fixed then they are often as good/better than anything you can buy new.

 

[Furniss]

Got to depend on the machine - dumper from 1990 no problem - digger from 1990 ....not so sure

 

[JD450A]

The thing that naffs classic plant on the whole is hoses.... Hence why the oldest Mini was recently re piped.
Aside from that theres sod all reason a older machine can't rock up on a site and perform.

Its not long ago that a Drott from 1970 would still turn a shift of a 3c11 would be on hire.... most plant has a 20-30 year lifespan if it's looked after.

 

[Gunners]

Aside from that theres sod all reason a older machine can't rock up on a site and perform.

Its not long ago that a Drott from 1970 would still turn a shift of a 3c11 would be on hire.... most plant has a 20-30 year lifespan if it's looked after.

But what about the latest fuel efficient engines! Tier 5! Green beacons? Full cab dumpers only?
The plant will go on for much longer than the "rules" allow them to. Same with the workforce actually now they have decided that industry accreditation on your CSCS card is no longer sufficient to be on site past Dec 2024....

 

[JD450A]

But what about the latest fuel efficient engines! Tier 5! Green beacons? Full cab dumpers only?
The plant will go on for much longer than the "rules" allow them to. Same with the workforce actually now they have decided that industry accreditation on your CSCS card is no longer sufficient to be on site past Dec 2024....

As I lambasted a f****ng idiot the other day with..... Top tier contractors make up a overinflated fraction of the industry compared to the reality of what's going on.

Most of us one man bands have between 2-10 machines of varying types and sizes.... Now every national hire firms yard will service somewhere between 10-200 machines, there are exceptions. But most run of the mill civils projects will have perhaps 10 bits of kit on..... HS2, bypass construction and similar will have a huge amount but they are unusual..... HS2 will be the first large scale infrastructure construction project since the M6 toll.... Perhaps even before that, the M6 toll wasn't anywhere near as big.

And when large scale projects are done outside of the south east.... Well the magic happens and older local plant becomes acceptable under needs must. With a suggestion that because local jobs for local people it's all OK.

Infact even HS2 with it's all encompassing mandate to be super safe and no doubt money being floated to provide only new stuff from the big firms has bent its own rules.....Vinci's scrapers came in from the EU where they do do big projects regularly..... They where old, smokey and ran for a entire season before they "had" to fit eminoxs..... There not new scrapers and are I believe at least 20 years old.

I know much of the initial prep work at HPC was done again, by older kit with local contractors....

The biggest shift coming will be the shift to "green fuel". I suspect we will rapidly see a work around for older fleets.

Specifically regarding dumpers - there are still lots and lots of basic 6t ftds being sold and hired by national firms.... This will continue..... If modernization and 2 year plans should of killed anything it's these death traps..... Yet they still are out in force and volume.

There's even 9 tonners being sold.

 

[Gunners]

As I lambasted a f****ng idiot the other day with..... Top tier contractors make up a overinflated fraction of the industry compared to the reality of what's going on.

Most of us one man bands have between 2-10 machines of varying types and sizes.... Now every national hire firms yard will service somewhere between 10-200 machines, there are exceptions. But most run of the mill civils projects will have perhaps 10 bits of kit on..... HS2, bypass construction and similar will have a huge amount but they are unusual..... HS2 will be the first large scale infrastructure construction project since the M6 toll.... Perhaps even before that, the M6 toll wasn't anywhere near as big.

And when large scale projects are done outside of the south east.... Well the magic happens and older local plant becomes acceptable under needs must. With a suggestion that because local jobs for local people it's all OK.

Infact even HS2 with it's all encompassing mandate to be super safe and no doubt money being floated to provide only new stuff from the big firms has bent its own rules.....Vinci's scrapers came in from the EU where they do do big projects regularly..... They where old, smokey and ran for a entire season before they "had" to fit eminoxs..... There not new scrapers and are I believe at least 20 years old.

I know much of the initial prep work at HPC was done again, by older kit with local contractors....

The biggest shift coming will be the shift to "green fuel". I suspect we will rapidly see a work around for older fleets.

Specifically regarding dumpers - there are still lots and lots of basic 6t ftds being sold and hired by national firms.... This will continue..... If modernization and 2 year plans should of killed anything it's these death traps..... Yet they still are out in force and volume.

There's even 9 tonners being sold.

Completely agree mate, was just playing devils advocate for the wind up. I know one things for sure, we will still be able to fix our older kit long after the new stuff has died of some electrical issue or worse. Unless some clever clogs legislates that the supply of parts to suit older kit is banned to phase them out? Its a horrible thought but from what we have witnessed the last few years, could well happen. Anything to make you buy something new and keep the capitalist dream alive - preferably on finance!

As for green fuel, I'm actually all for it - providing it is actually green! HVO is far from it as it stands, as is Biodiesel. And Hydrogen has a long way to come. Providing whatever we end up running is combustible, its entirely possible to run older kit well into the future. Converting to hydrogen would be a bit more of a task, but as we know, oil isn't going anywhere and the latest COPout summit confirms this. And to be fair, oil cant just disappear - its in our clothes, homes, everywhere! The climate activists sometimes forget just how far reaching the petrochemical industry is and when calling for an all out ban I think that should be a point that is made very clear to them!

 

[JerryRtilt]

Completely agree mate, was just playing devils advocate for the wind up. I know one things for sure, we will still be able to fix our older kit long after the new stuff has died of some electrical issue or worse. Unless some clever clogs legislates that the supply of parts to suit older kit is banned to phase them out? Its a horrible thought but from what we have witnessed the last few years, could well happen. Anything to make you buy something new and keep the capitalist dream alive - preferably on finance!

As for green fuel, I'm actually all for it - providing it is actually green! HVO is far from it as it stands, as is Biodiesel. And Hydrogen has a long way to come. Providing whatever we end up running is combustible, its entirely possible to run older kit well into the future. Converting to hydrogen would be a bit more of a task, but as we know, oil isn't going anywhere and the latest COPout summit confirms this. And to be fair, oil cant just disappear - its in our clothes, homes, everywhere! The climate activists sometimes forget just how far reaching the petrochemical industry is and when calling for an all out ban I think that should be a point that is made very clear to them!

When or if, Hydrogen becomes readily available there must be a potentially huge market for converting current diesel engines to Hydrogen ? from the little i've read there's not a huge difference, mainly cylinder heads, and the addition of a ignition system. Obviously a considerable oversimplification but with such a huge market you'd think somebody would be exploring the possibility ?

 

[JD450A]

I'm a big advocate for synthetic diesel. Adolf managed it in WW2 I believe and I see no issue provided the energy input is "green".

Fact of the day, petrol was a discarded waste product from paraffin production originally,