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[GazCro]

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This? Yeah looks horrendous. Alot of weight and ridiculous stack height surely?

I bet bucket breakout is impressive

 

[doobin]

Think it might have been Owen, he was a nice guy but the setup wasn't to my taste.

 

[Thomas7740]

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This? Yeah looks horrendous. Alot of weight and ridiculous stack height surely?

Yea that’s it, looks really out of proportion, can’t see it being any fun to use

 

[doobin]

What a plonker. Fancy spending all that money just to have something that sounds fairly unusable in the real world.

I know your right about the compromise thing. It would always be a case of wishing for the extra weight and capacity of a 2.8t. I suppose I was thinking more to replace the 216 which I think I've had enough of now. It's actually too small for most of my work and I rarely benefit from the narrow access side of things too. The TB225 would have been far better if they'd put it on a proper undercarriage but kept the weight similar as can definitely see the advantage of its weight class for jobbing work with attachments on the trailer etc.

You might be impressed with a TB219 to replace the TB216. Still sub 1m for access, but a heck of alot of metal.

If they'd done it with twin prop rollers rather than a single foot pedal, I would probably have ended up with one rather then the E19.

Oh, an 0% finance! but seriously, worlds away from the TB216

 

[Tintan28]

You wouldn't like one mate. Way too much of a compromise for what you and I do- they are designed solely to tick the 'totally legal to tow even with buckets' box.

I wasn't impressed with the one I tried at a demo day, and it didn't help that the owner had seen fit to lumber it with a twin hitch S40 engon setup and a bucket that was far too big for it. As soon as you started to pull back in you were out of lift height! Still, I suppose it looked good on Instagram...

Who needs expanding tracks on that size machine either? What a waste of engineering, as well as loosing ground clearance.

@Tintan28 - do you find yourself using the expanding tracks much?

@doobin the expanding tracks have been needed on a few occasions which is enough for me to be satisfied that I bought the correct machine for us. As I see it I’ve got the most powerful machine I can tow & that would fit through the same width gap as my Multione & 1tn dumper, so they complement each other. I have a TB210r & Sherpa for small access. I’m by no means the Oracle on plant & machine or any other subject for that matter so happy to be corrected but it works well & I’m happy.

 

[Grahams]

I am looking into how it could work. As I already have the system, its £300 in mounting plates away from getting fitted so not really hard to justify at this point. But I need to understand how I could make it work as not sure how Idig would compensate for the extending dipper?

It can't work out an extending dipper (or couldn't when I bought mine). Need to have two set ups in the memory, one with it fully in and one with it fully out. It works, but is not as good as I had hoped, but for a reasonable priced system it is pretty good.

 

[JD450A]

It can't work out an extending dipper (or couldn't when I bought mine). Need to have two set ups in the memory, one with it fully in and one with it fully out. It works, but is not as good as I had hoped, but for a reasonable priced system it is pretty good.

What it would need is a rack and pinion and a potentiometer of some sort.

 

[Smiffy]

What it would need is a rack and pinion and a potentiometer of some sort.

Don't need anything that technical. Plenty of linear position sensors. Some can be fitted to hydraulic rams but I don't know if they only give set positions or can give a position reading

S120 Submersible Cylinder Linear Position Sensor | Positek

High-resolution position feedback for hydraulic and pneumatic cylinders from Positek.

www.positek.com

 

[GazCro]

Don't need anything that technical. Plenty of linear position sensors. Some can be fitted to hydraulic rams but I don't know if they only give set positions or can give a position reading

S120 Submersible Cylinder Linear Position Sensor | Positek

High-resolution position feedback for hydraulic and pneumatic cylinders from Positek.

www.positek.com

The hardware side of it maybe isn't that complicated but maybe the software can't deal with it or maybe the demand isn't there for the extra development

 

[Furniss]

I will chime in on the idig after having one a year or so.
Straight off it really needs the wiring kit and cradle in each machine otherwise its a pita and if your anything like me you leave it in the machine that gets most use - I believe à kit is circa £700 which I thought was a bit meaty and those suction cups need replacing with a proper mount.

In use I found you have to put the work in to get the best out of it and working practices take some changing if you've been at it 25 years, you have to actually be prepared to go a lot slower while you learn in order to go faster later ....or this could just be me who is a slow learner

If say your usual day to day setup is a 2 man team and one is the machine driver and the other is the dumper/grade checker/spade driver and they are s**t hot with the staff (which is our scenario) then for lots of our work like pipe runs for instance at say 2% or .75% I prefer them on the staff as I can hear the beeping of the receiver below/above grade while I tip spoil in dumper and you either move on or dig on from where they are tapping trench which I find quicker and mm accurate.

But for example when your on your own doing large areas like arenas or pulling footings with 8t where dumper is full before they can get on or off its brilliant.

Really does depend on your work and setup, if I had a machine driver I could leave him to some jobs while I ran stone in with truck for instance.

In summary for me its a bit of a luxury but I wouldn't give it back in exchange for the money even if I could as when it has the right scenario its brilliant, im looking forward to hardwiring it as as neatly/factory as possible into the 6t when it arrives and getting the most from it.

 

[V8Druid]

What it would need is a rack and pinion and a potentiometer of some sort.

just put a cable pot driver on it like a crane has to determine the degree the boom is extended ...... they detect boom length in any position
available in all sizes

can also be used to take power to the extended tip if required

 

[Storrsy]

You might be impressed with a TB219 to replace the TB216. Still sub 1m for access, but a heck of alot of metal.

If they'd done it with twin prop rollers rather than a single foot pedal, I would probably have ended up with one rather then the E19.

Oh, an 0% finance! but seriously, worlds away from the TB216

I've been thinking about this the last few days but still think the TB225 has an awful lot going for it. I'm actually thinking about the number of times in the last 4 years of owning the TB216 that I've had to go down below 1m wide and only once I can think of where it was critical to getting the job done. Most of the time it's paths and the like and the narrowness of the TB225 would have been more than adequate. And then I think about the amount of times I haven't taken the TB216 to a job because Im worried about coming across a big rock or something underground so end up with taking the 2.8t instead and rarely regret that either! Where the 2.8t does become a pain is wanting digger and various attachments there all in one go. So basically the biggest machine you can take to a job on a trailer with attachments is a TB225 and for me that's a massive selling point for it. I also want the tow vehicle to be 4x4 so that also eliminates the idea of towing a 2.8t with attachments in the bed as I know you do with your iveco etc.

 

[GazCro]

I've been thinking about this the last few days but still think the TB225 has an awful lot going for it. I'm actually thinking about the number of times in the last 4 years of owning the TB216 that I've had to go down below 1m wide and only once I can think of where it was critical to getting the job done. Most of the time it's paths and the like and the narrowness of the TB225 would have been more than adequate. And then I think about the amount of times I haven't taken the TB216 to a job because Im worried about coming across a big rock or something underground so end up with taking the 2.8t instead and rarely regret that either! Where the 2.8t does become a pain is wanting digger and various attachments there all in one go. So basically the biggest machine you can take to a job on a trailer with attachments is a TB225 and for me that's a massive selling point for it. I also want the tow vehicle to be 4x4 so that also eliminates the idea of towing a 2.8t with attachments in the bed as I know you do with your iveco etc.

Price a 225, might put you off the idea

 

[doobin]

I've been thinking about this the last few days but still think the TB225 has an awful lot going for it. I'm actually thinking about the number of times in the last 4 years of owning the TB216 that I've had to go down below 1m wide and only once I can think of where it was critical to getting the job done. Most of the time it's paths and the like and the narrowness of the TB225 would have been more than adequate. And then I think about the amount of times I haven't taken the TB216 to a job because Im worried about coming across a big rock or something underground so end up with taking the 2.8t instead and rarely regret that either! Where the 2.8t does become a pain is wanting digger and various attachments there all in one go. So basically the biggest machine you can take to a job on a trailer with attachments is a TB225 and for me that's a massive selling point for it. I also want the tow vehicle to be 4x4 so that also eliminates the idea of towing a 2.8t with attachments in the bed as I know you do with your iveco etc.

But you're keeping your 2.8t, right? If not, then you're going to be very dissapointed with the TB225 in comparison. If you're keeping a 2.8t, why do you want such an awful halfway house of a machine size in addition?

Transportation needs to be factored in to your pricing- you do this anyway with your 6t don't you? Either run as you did with a LandRover tipper, or make a couple of trips. You can often bring the post knocker or whatever the second day, after clearance the first for example.

Unless the police are particularly stasi round your way, a more modern pickup (especially with airbags) will easily handle a 3.5t trailer- some are even legal. If you were wanting a nicer tow vehicle.

End of the day- it's your business, you know what works best for you. Just my 2p worth.

 

[JD450A]

Unless the police are particularly stasi round your way, a more modern pickup (especially with airbags) will easily handle a 3.5t trailer- some are even legal. If you were wanting a nicer tow vehicle.

Knowing where his yard is not being policeable would be high on my list of priorities

 

[Storrsy]

But you're keeping your 2.8t, right? If not, then you're going to be very dissapointed with the TB225 in comparison. If you're keeping a 2.8t, why do you want such an awful halfway house of a machine size in addition?

Transportation needs to be factored in to your pricing- you do this anyway with your 6t don't you? Either run as you did with a LandRover tipper, or make a couple of trips. You can often bring the post knocker or whatever the second day, after clearance the first for example.

Unless the police are particularly stasi round your way, a more modern pickup (especially with airbags) will easily handle a 3.5t trailer- some are even legal. If you were wanting a nicer tow vehicle.

End of the day- it's your business, you know what works best for you. Just my 2p worth.

Seems mad on paper what I'm thinking but my reasoning is. I hardly need a sub 2 tonner at all for size. Tbh when I had 2x 2.8 tonners for a while it actually suited my business very well. I could leave them on different jobs/or in different areas and it saved no end of shunting one machine back and forth all over the place, effectively run a few jobs at the same time allowing my self to work around weather/customer requirements etc.
The TB225 would replace the 216 and have far more capacity for grab work and handling bigger post knocker. It also goes down narrow enough (for me) to do the footpath work which requires smaller machine and has the capacity to allow the machine and attachment on one trailer for those jobs that are only a days work and where I wouldn't want to be faffing around doing seperate trips etc.
I've only ever actually used a TB225 for a day backfilling a trench and it was ok got that but never put it through its paces on heavy digging/handling etc. But one thing I did feel was that it felt nearer to a 2.8t to operate than a 1.8t despite being pretty much halfway between the two.

 

[DaveDCB]

Am I right in assuming Idig is around 7k fitted?
Personally I think it’s too much money for what is a ‘simple’ system. Half that price and I’d be having it fit tomorrow!

 

[Furniss]

If it was my product I wouldn't think let's knock them out as cheap as poss ....you would look at the competition and what they had and then aim to find the line between decent take up and too expensive.... imho its just the way of the world untill competition says otherwise.

Not sure it falls into the simple category yet.

 

[Tintan28]

Neil from Nasco has made the long journey up my way today to start the EC02 & iDig installation. Thanks to all on here for all your advice, opinions & experiences it’s much appreciated! Looking forward to having a spin in it & seeing how it can wipe its own arse, but if nothing else it’s a lump kept out of the crumby hands of those in Westminster.

 

[Furniss]

Neil from Nasco has made the long journey up my way today to start the EC02 & iDig installation. Thanks to all on here for all your advice, opinions & experiences it’s much appreciated! Looking forward to having a spin in it & seeing how it can wipe its own arse, but if nothing else it’s a lump kept out of the crumby hands of those in Westminster.

Happy Days
Look forward to some feedback and photos