Good old NHS

[Stroppymonkey]

Had a Sunday appointment for an Endoscopy. Have to say I was rather dreading it, but it's been a very easy day. Staff were brilliant, I've got a fairly hazy 15 minutes of my life, and then they were kicking me out with tea and biscuits. Barring multiple trips to A+E I've never had to go into hospital for myself before, so I was apprehensive as you can imagine, but If I ever need another then I'll not bat an eyelid next time. Only bad bit is no beer for a day as apparently it doesn't mix well with Fentanil

 

[V8Druid]

Had a Sunday appointment for an Endoscopy. Have to say I was rather dreading it, but it's been a very easy day. Staff were brilliant, I've got a fairly hazy 15 minutes of my life, and then they were kicking me out with tea and biscuits. Barring multiple trips to A+E I've never had to go into hospital for myself before, so I was apprehensive as you can imagine, but If I ever need another then I'll not bat an eyelid next time. Only bad bit is no beer for a day as apparently it doesn't mix well with Fentanil

you can't fault (most) of 'em Boyo ..
saved my life in 2010 and have continued to keep me alive since ......
great ppl on the whole ......

my cannulars are usually yellow ....
white one's a big 'un

and sometimes get a reaction to the Vecafix dressing that holds 'em in the vein

I absolutely hated needles, 'fore it all kicked off ... Pam gets to stick one in me every Monday morning now ... amazed that that vein keeps on taking 'em, week in, week out

 

[JerryRtilt]

Had a Sunday appointment for an Endoscopy. Have to say I was rather dreading it, but it's been a very easy day. Staff were brilliant, I've got a fairly hazy 15 minutes of my life, and then they were kicking me out with tea and biscuits. Barring multiple trips to A+E I've never had to go into hospital for myself before, so I was apprehensive as you can imagine, but If I ever need another then I'll not bat an eyelid next time. Only bad bit is no beer for a day as apparently it doesn't mix well with Fentanil

Not much fun, like so many things the people on the ground are great, let down by the faceless office dwellers

 

[JD450A]

I'm off to the Nuffield Tommorow to pay a load of money for a MRI to put the f****ng boot in after 4 months of dithering uselessness, so alas I don't share your sentiments.

Sell the f****ng lot off and scrap national insurance, every dog for themselves.

 

[JerryRtilt]

I'm off to the Nuffield Tommorow to pay a load of money for a MRI to put the f****ng boot in after 4 months of dithering uselessness, so alas I don't share your sentiments.

Sell the f****ng lot off and scrap national insurance, every dog for themselves.

Yep that's the long term goal, except we will cary on paying NI for those who can not/will not provide for themselves

 

[Russell]

Well I'm rather grateful for how it is. Recon I've had a few thousand spent on the operations to repair my eye.

 

[V8Druid]

Well I'm rather grateful for how it is. Recon I've had a few thousand spent on the operations to repair my eye.

Absolutely ... have had a serious amount spent on me in CTs and MRIs alone, without all their time and treatment

 

[Stroppymonkey]

I'm off to the Nuffield Tommorow to pay a load of money for a MRI to put the f****ng boot in after 4 months of dithering uselessness, so alas I don't share your sentiments.

Sell the f****ng lot off and scrap national insurance, every dog for themselves.

I’ve got PMI, but faster on the NHS oddly… once you get past the GP.

 

[JD450A]

I started back on July with a hand cramping up and hurting to athe extent I couldn't drive a machine.... When I say couldn't imagine taking a screwdriver and ramming it through your wrist center and out between your fingers......

Phone call to GP, telephone physiotherapist who advised it was muscular and that I could self refer for Physiotherapy which would take up to 18 weeks......

Not being a complete moron I took said issue to a private physio who promptly told me it was likely more serious and that he felt he could likely ease the swelling and possibly get me working again but he couldn't fix it...... Needs MRI to get a clear understanding but suspected scaphoid fracture in his opinion (ex radiographer originally).

After a month and a half of initial GP having still no interest, private MRI centre being unable to see me (due to risk of metal in my eye from occupation, they could of seen me the following week otherwise) my Physio booked a Ultrasound which has identified two potential effusions, one on my radai and one on my scaphoid with a large amount of fluid on the joint..... Advised to have a MRI at minimum.

At this stage I moved GP practice..... In fairness My new GP has been outstanding and supportive but he would appear to be a exception not the norm...


He sorted X rays as that's the NHS system..... They came back clear however a scaphoid injury isn't easy to pick up (hence MRI recommended). They came back he told me he would sort a MRI.... Fantastic.

Couple weeks later we get a letter to go to the fracture clinic at hospital..... Go there waste more time with someone with the communication skills of Mr Blobby who tells me they will send me for a Nerve test as I might have Carpel tunnel So two different NHS staff have come up with two completely different scenarios whilst two private contractor's both agree

After the Nerve test (end of this month) then I get to see a specialist who then might send me for a MRI.


Long and short I requested my GP refer me for a MRI which he immediately did. That was just over a week ago.

Nuffield have MRI d me this morning for just over £500.... In and out in under a hour.

Now if we took the cost of the X ray..... A GP visit, a Fracture Clinic visit and A nerve test do we think it's less than £500......

System is f***ed..... Bin it .

 

[Lancs Lad]

I started back on July with a hand cramping up and hurting to athe extent I couldn't drive a machine.... When I say couldn't imagine taking a screwdriver and ramming it through your wrist center and out between your fingers......

Phone call to GP, telephone physiotherapist who advised it was muscular and that I could self refer for Physiotherapy which would take up to 18 weeks......

Not being a complete moron I took said issue to a private physio who promptly told me it was likely more serious and that he felt he could likely ease the swelling and possibly get me working again but he couldn't fix it...... Needs MRI to get a clear understanding but suspected scaphoid fracture in his opinion (ex radiographer originally).

After a month and a half of initial GP having still no interest, private MRI centre being unable to see me (due to risk of metal in my eye from occupation, they could of seen me the following week otherwise) my Physio booked a Ultrasound which has identified two potential effusions, one on my radai and one on my scaphoid with a large amount of fluid on the joint..... Advised to have a MRI at minimum.

At this stage I moved GP practice..... In fairness My new GP has been outstanding and supportive but he would appear to be a exception not the norm...


He sorted X rays as that's the NHS system..... They came back clear however a scaphoid injury isn't easy to pick up (hence MRI recommended). They came back he told me he would sort a MRI.... Fantastic.

Couple weeks later we get a letter to go to the fracture clinic at hospital..... Go there waste more time with someone with the communication skills of Mr Blobby who tells me they will send me for a Nerve test as I might have Carpel tunnel So two different NHS staff have come up with two completely different scenarios whilst two private contractor's both agree

After the Nerve test (end of this month) then I get to see a specialist who then might send me for a MRI.


Long and short I requested my GP refer me for a MRI which he immediately did. That was just over a week ago.

Nuffield have MRI d me this morning for just over £500.... In and out in under a hour.

Now if we took the cost of the X ray..... A GP visit, a Fracture Clinic visit and A nerve test do we think it's less than £500......

System is f***ed..... Bin it .

Fully agree.

We've had a few experiences of late.
3 year old having tonsillitis full tilt this last 12 months...GP was like oh this hoop and 40 other hoops need jumping through sod that...private . Bingo out and done in 3 weeks . Utter joke.

What gets me is old bill who's worked his whole life and now prob died on a trolley due to some daft waiting list and lack of cash to go private but freida who was previously Fred has cost the NHS 1m in all sorts of pointless crap....

 

[Storrsy]

I started back on July with a hand cramping up and hurting to athe extent I couldn't drive a machine.... When I say couldn't imagine taking a screwdriver and ramming it through your wrist center and out between your fingers......

Phone call to GP, telephone physiotherapist who advised it was muscular and that I could self refer for Physiotherapy which would take up to 18 weeks......

Not being a complete moron I took said issue to a private physio who promptly told me it was likely more serious and that he felt he could likely ease the swelling and possibly get me working again but he couldn't fix it...... Needs MRI to get a clear understanding but suspected scaphoid fracture in his opinion (ex radiographer originally).

After a month and a half of initial GP having still no interest, private MRI centre being unable to see me (due to risk of metal in my eye from occupation, they could of seen me the following week otherwise) my Physio booked a Ultrasound which has identified two potential effusions, one on my radai and one on my scaphoid with a large amount of fluid on the joint..... Advised to have a MRI at minimum.

At this stage I moved GP practice..... In fairness My new GP has been outstanding and supportive but he would appear to be a exception not the norm...


He sorted X rays as that's the NHS system..... They came back clear however a scaphoid injury isn't easy to pick up (hence MRI recommended). They came back he told me he would sort a MRI.... Fantastic.

Couple weeks later we get a letter to go to the fracture clinic at hospital..... Go there waste more time with someone with the communication skills of Mr Blobby who tells me they will send me for a Nerve test as I might have Carpel tunnel So two different NHS staff have come up with two completely different scenarios whilst two private contractor's both agree

After the Nerve test (end of this month) then I get to see a specialist who then might send me for a MRI.


Long and short I requested my GP refer me for a MRI which he immediately did. That was just over a week ago.

Nuffield have MRI d me this morning for just over £500.... In and out in under a hour.

Now if we took the cost of the X ray..... A GP visit, a Fracture Clinic visit and A nerve test do we think it's less than £500......

System is f***ed..... Bin it .

It's a shame, a good system and good guys on the ground do their best but ruined by disgraceful amounts of waste, bad management . A private run organisation would simply go bust if run so inefficiently. Don't know what the answer is clearly the vast majority wouldn't be able to afford the true cost of say extensive cancer treatment. Chap I'm working with has had a quadruple bypass- think he said privately would have been a £14k operation. That then leaves us at the mercy of insurance

 

[Storrsy]

Other half works at local hospital as an occupational therapist, the attitudes of alot of patients with regards their own wellbeing is also quite shocking. Eat s**t, no exercise, smoke drink etc, f**k it the NHS will sort the problems out..

 

[AHPP]

Recon I've had a few thousand spent on the operations to repair my eye.

Imagine how much cheaper it would have been without the NHS.

Private service:

• Workers
• Equipment, buildings etc
• Profit so the boss can have a Bentley

Government service:

• Workers
• Equipment, buildings etc
• Excesses so the boss can have a Bentley
• Politicians and civil servants

All you're doing with a government service is paying for the unnecessary layer of politicians and civil servants to administer it, while the same people do the same work at the same coalface.

So yeah, f**k it and the horse it rode in on.

 

[JD450A]

Personally I think your N.I should be an amount "ring fenced" throughout your life and usable as you see fit for healthcare and ultimately retirement.

Choose to repeatedly use your N.I in life and you have less at the end...... Likewise that doesn't stop you having private healthcare or pension... It just links a individual cause and effect.

That leaves what happens should you be unfortunate enough to have a serious condition or illness..... Simple a government 0% interest loan that has no payment due expiry other than your life..... Get to 40 and die with £100,000 worth of debt on it..... That £100,000 is due from your estate should there be a financial excess that is greater than a average inheritance.

Then bin the NHS and install private only providers who are bound by law to provide there service at a price equal to that of anyone else...... Fyi if I wanted to be a prick I could of got quotes from elsewhere today for "comparative" treatment and paid the lowest price.

Lovers of the NHS point to the states and shout that it's terrible..... But if I had insurance or was prepared to foot the cost I'd of been seen to the same day.... No waiting weeks or needing referrals.

Fyi the ring fenced NI...... When you die if there is a surplus it goes into your kids N.I accounts equally...... One kid, they get better healthcare..... Simple.

 

[Lancs Lad]

Personally I think your N.I should be an amount "ring fenced" throughout your life and usable as you see fit for healthcare and ultimately retirement.

Choose to repeatedly use your N.I in life and you have less at the end...... Likewise that doesn't stop you having private healthcare or pension... It just links a individual cause and effect.

That leaves what happens should you be unfortunate enough to have a serious condition or illness..... Simple a government 0% interest loan that has no payment due expiry other than your life..... Get to 40 and die with £100,000 worth of debt on it..... That £100,000 is due from your estate should there be a financial excess that is greater than a average inheritance.

Then bin the NHS and install private only providers who are bound by law to provide there service at a price equal to that of anyone else...... Fyi if I wanted to be a prick I could of got quotes from elsewhere today for "comparative" treatment and paid the lowest price.

Lovers of the NHS point to the states and shout that it's terrible..... But if I had insurance or was prepared to foot the cost I'd of been seen to the same day.... No waiting weeks or needing referrals.

Fyi the ring fenced NI...... When you die if there is a surplus it goes into your kids N.I accounts equally...... One kid, they get better healthcare..... Simple.

Ltd co...
Pay enough on salary to kick in the NI contributions...rest on divis .
Simple .

Where's Fred when u need him.

 

[Stroppymonkey]

Personally I think your N.I should be an amount "ring fenced" throughout your life and usable as you see fit for healthcare and ultimately retirement.

Choose to repeatedly use your N.I in life and you have less at the end...... Likewise that doesn't stop you having private healthcare or pension... It just links a individual cause and effect.

That leaves what happens should you be unfortunate enough to have a serious condition or illness..... Simple a government 0% interest loan that has no payment due expiry other than your life..... Get to 40 and die with £100,000 worth of debt on it..... That £100,000 is due from your estate should there be a financial excess that is greater than a average inheritance.

Then bin the NHS and install private only providers who are bound by law to provide there service at a price equal to that of anyone else...... Fyi if I wanted to be a prick I could of got quotes from elsewhere today for "comparative" treatment and paid the lowest price.

Lovers of the NHS point to the states and shout that it's terrible..... But if I had insurance or was prepared to foot the cost I'd of been seen to the same day.... No waiting weeks or needing referrals.

Fyi the ring fenced NI...... When you die if there is a surplus it goes into your kids N.I accounts equally...... One kid, they get better healthcare..... Simple.

Just to be devils advocate here… what about kids with cancer . Or people born with disabilities preventing them from ever working and contributing?

 

[JD450A]

Just to be devils advocate here… what about kids with cancer . Or people born with disabilities preventing them from ever working and contributing?

To be blunt, kids with cancer will get all the help they can have without ever needing to contribute..... Say worst case they enter there 30's with £1,000,000 worth of debt that "exists". If they are lucky and make a fortune then they choose to repay it, brilliant.... If they die moderately potless and the debt still exists then some gets taken out of there estate should there end of life finances be greater than average..

As for people with disabilities that never pay in, this will be extremely controversial but there are many that "choose" to do nothing. There are also many that do what they can and others that attempt to do all they can with there lives. (Such as Todd the Scaffolder). End of reality they come out no worse than anyone else with this system.

The key is the "average" estate value at the end of someone's life is £334,000...... Now if you said £300,000 was the amount levy'd as untouchable and anything above could be reclaimed.... Only the wealthy would suffer...... But that said it would actually just be them paying for there own outstanding care debt.....

I'd say plenty of people would leave this realm passing on there NI to there children.

 

[6feetdown]

Other half works at local hospital as an occupational therapist, the attitudes of alot of patients with regards their own wellbeing is also quite shocking. Eat s**t, no exercise, smoke drink etc, f**k it the NHS will sort the problems out..

Mate is a nurse the figures on obesity are eye watering

 

[TiltyShaun]

The harsh reality is the NHS stifles true completion in healthcare. Drop the barriers to entry and see the cost fall!!
The private sector currently takes care of those can afford to pay at a cost far greater than the cost of similar in the NHS. Try getting a quote for a C section privately…….eye watering!!! There is not a lot of demand so they can charge what they like, about 10times the cost of what the NHS say they cost.

 

[DaveDCB]

Doesn’t a ream of paper cost them somewhere around £17? Utter madness!!