Forestry Excavator...

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Budgie

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Hi, just joined. Hoping to glean some sound advice from a Plant Forum as opposed to an arby boyscout lala land forum!

For years (I am a timber contractor in devon where winching comes with the territory - literally) I employed a sub-contract winching contactor with an
RJ Fukes conversion on a 2007 Hitachi 13 tonner (predecessor to the Zaxis I guess) to do all my winching. He is now too busy and I'm currently winching with a
radio controlled Tajfun 85 3pl winch. Downside of that is low pulley and tractor now not badass enough to drive through deep ruts where I either need to winch to or recover a stuck forwarder.

So I'm in the market for a 13 tonner (nominal - I know this can vary from 12-15+ on the plate). 20 tonner simply too physically big for access. Heavier weight in the same size package appeals so that it is more "planted". The reach and power of a 20 tonner would be great but just not going to get that into the majority of sites I work. Nor do I fancy the fuel bill (mate said he did over 300 litres in a Komatsu PC210 heavy digging over 9 hours sh1tthe bed). Looks like I can get a very tidy late JCB JS130 for circa £20k which would leave some budget for the winch conversion. Or and older SR machine, tattier for not much less... hmmm

I have been advised by two good mates that I should be looking for a zero / short radius / compact tail swing machine with a blade... There are others in timber who would diss this config. Current job as an example, with the bucket down the slope away from the narrow track, the tail would hit the bank above so the zero thing makes sense.

Assuming I've worked out the fundamentals, I'd be looking at Komatsu PC138 or New Holland Kobelco 135... I've heard long term reports on the Korean machines that put me off Doosan / Hyundai et al.

Any nuggets of advice?

Very much appreciated.

PS Sorry I'd like to be able to fit a grab and rotator fairly soon after purchase, moving up to a grapple saw as some stage and possibly even run a
flail too. I understand I need flow for this etc. I definitely want joystick controls for aux NOT foot pedal as I have tried and hated. Ta
 
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doobin

doobin

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Welcome mate. I'd certainly go compact radius or zero tail, for the very reason you mentioned. However... when you say winching- do you mean a winch on the end of the boom, or a proper sykyline type conversion?

Conventional tailswing is a major plus when you are maxing out the machines lifting capacity (like a 2.7t on arb work), but this will seldom be the case in forestry with a 15t machine.

Be wary of a JS130- a lot/most of them are 'eco' spec for hire fleets. Downrated horsepower to meet emissions regs- not what you want when swinging timber about and using attachments.

Hyundai are always popular as a scrapyard or forestry machine- they must take the abuse well.
 
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Budgie

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Cheers for that. The JCB is a JS 130 LC with 9000 hours - 2015 machine.

Ref the winch - drum up on main stick, pulley on top of dipper... I'll find a pic...

I've heard Hyundai have electro probs. A N Other contractor nr me got shot of theirs and went with Kobelco
 

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6feetdown

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Hi, just joined. Hoping to glean some sound advice from a Plant Forum as opposed to an arby boyscout lala land forum!

For years (I am a timber contractor in devon where winching comes with the territory - literally) I employed a sub-contract winching contactor with an
RJ Fukes conversion on a 2007 Hitachi 13 tonner (predecessor to the Zaxis I guess) to do all my winching. He is now too busy and I'm currently winching with a
radio controlled Tajfun 85 3pl winch. Downside of that is low pulley and tractor now not badass enough to drive through deep ruts where I either need to winch to or recover a stuck forwarder.

So I'm in the market for a 13 tonner (nominal - I know this can vary from 12-15+ on the plate). 20 tonner simply too physically big for access. Heavier weight in the same size package appeals so that it is more "planted". The reach and power of a 20 tonner would be great but just not going to get that into the majority of sites I work. Nor do I fancy the fuel bill (mate said he did over 300 litres in a Komatsu PC210 heavy digging over 9 hours sh1tthe bed). Looks like I can get a very tidy late JCB JS130 for circa £20k which would leave some budget for the winch conversion. Or and older SR machine, tattier for not much less... hmmm

I have been advised by two good mates that I should be looking for a zero / short radius / compact tail swing machine with a blade... There are others in timber who would diss this config. Current job as an example, with the bucket down the slope away from the narrow track, the tail would hit the bank above so the zero thing makes sense.

Assuming I've worked out the fundamentals, I'd be looking at Komatsu PC138 or New Holland Kobelco 135... I've heard long term reports on the Korean machines that put me off Doosan / Hyundai et al.

Any nuggets of advice?

Very much appreciated.

PS Sorry I'd like to be able to fit a grab and rotator fairly soon after purchase, moving up to a grapple saw as some stage and possibly even run a
flail too. I understand I need flow for this etc. I definitely want joystick controls for aux NOT foot pedal as I have tried and hated. Ta
Welcome
 
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Monkeybusiness

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Blades are very handy for levelling/stabilising the machine and also giving a bit more reach on steep ground - I’ve got a Takeuchi TB2150 which is mega in the trees as not much tail on it and the blade is standard from the factory. The Doosan 14 tonner seems to be factory blade-ready too (they all have the mounting points on the undercarriage ready to go).
 
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Budgie

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Blades are very handy for levelling/stabilising the machine and also giving a bit more reach on steep ground - I’ve got a Takeuchi TB2150 which is mega in the trees as not much tail on it and the blade is standard from the factory. The Doosan 14 tonner seems to be factory blade-ready too (they all have the mounting points on the undercarriage ready to go).
Some of my mates will never speak to me again if I buy a doosan. I've also seen why - broken sprockets, other bits hanging off. Great from new with high flow and chip-able yada yada but I'm not in the mood for being underneath it every weekend. That said I won't be buying Chinese - I have some pride left.
 
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Budgie

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Shortlist:

JCB 130 - because cheap
Hitachi Zaxis 135
NH / Kobelco 135
Komatsu PC138

What am I missing?
 
Storrsy

Storrsy

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Welcome. Have you looked at the New Holland/,Kobelco machines of a given era (2008, ISH) quite a few of them had blades and are zero swingers. Would have thought would be well suited to your budget🤔
 
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Monkeybusiness

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Welcome. Have you looked at the New Holland/,Kobelco machines of a given era (2008, ISH) quite a few of them had blades and are zero swingers. Would have thought would be well suited to your budget🤔
Those are really good machines.
I’d be wary of later Komatsu PC138s - a mate ran a couple and had never ending dpf issues.
 
Furniss

Furniss

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Proctor plant sales usually has a few bladed 12-15t machines in stock - poss come from euro auctions .

 
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