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V8Druid

V8Druid

do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
I'd say kph...so its only got Storrsys duck for competition 🤣
plus mine and most others .... the idea of 20 kliks is to limit the amount of tramping they're likely to do - it's a wheeled excavator not a shuttle bus ... designed to spend most of its life digging not tramping endlessly about from site to site .
ppl have too great an expectation of a ducks travel abilities - faster mobility on the job site than a crawler (and less ground chewing on firmer sites) - not racing from location to location :rolleyes:
 
doobin

doobin

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plus mine and most others .... the idea of 20 kliks is to limit the amount of tramping they're likely to do - it's a wheeled excavator not a shuttle bus ... designed to spend most of its life digging not tramping endlessly about from site to site .
ppl have too great an expectation of a ducks travel abilities - faster mobility on the job site than a crawler (and less ground chewing on firmer sites) - not racing from location to location :rolleyes:
Why don’t they make them at least as good as a backhoe?
 
Storrsy

Storrsy

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The latest Wacker EW100 is supposedly 40k, id love to try one to see what it's really like in reality. Might be great if you live in Lincolnshire, any upland area though is veeerrryyyy slooooowwww gooooiiuunng in a duck
 
V8Druid

V8Druid

do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
Why don’t they make them at least as good as a backhoe?
'cos backhoes ain't hydrostatic - all mechanical drive :rolleyes:
do any of your hydro m/c,s travel quickly??
 
V8Druid

V8Druid

do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
I thought they were mechanical with torque converter? How come the new whacker is 40k then? I know where my money would be going (if I had any!🤣)

Hydro dig?
obviously designed the hydro system to cope with the massively increased oil flow (and it ain't 'full size' - above 10t?)
not sure on the Hydrapig, but although the motor is 'downstairs', pretty sure it's hydro too ?

Oh. I thought most modern backhoes were hydrostatic- same as my duck.
not that I'm aware TC or fluid flywheel and semi-auto boxes, or powershift type things .... STBC though :unsure:
 
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Stroppymonkey

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Look cheap machine if parts are available.
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V8Druid

V8Druid

do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
Or a mecalac... https://mecalac.com/en/machine/9mwr.html
I like that it's lower to the ground, lower CoG and easier to get in and out. Be a rare thing one of these coming up second hand
pretty sure I had a short play in one of those at a Mec day, Brumm/Solihul way a few years ago .... Adam @APhillips will know - he was there demo-ing it ... very nice but the reverse dipper set up takes some getting your head around - limited travel compared to excavator set up ... amazingly powerful weapon for its size
 
APhillips

APhillips

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pretty sure I had a short play in one of those at a Mec day, Brumm/Solihul way a few years ago .... Adam @APhillips will know - he was there demo-ing it ... very nice but the reverse dipper set up takes some getting your head around - limited travel compared to excavator set up ... amazingly powerful weapon for its size

I beleive the demo day you can to was an 11MWR, but concept is the same. The boom configuration definitely takes some time to get used to, once you've got your head around it they are amazingly capable, I used to put my little 7MWR in places I think most other wheeled machines would struggle and it would out lift a similar sized machine by a long way! If anyone ever wants to speak to me about Mecalacs I am more than happy to take a phone call and give you my thoughts on them.

It is tough to find a second hand one in the UK but there are a few out there working and some one decent hours now (5000+), I have a reasonable idea of where most of they are these days but unfortunately thats likely to diminish now that I have left Mecalac. They are still a machine I am very passionate about but until 'Mecalac' put some focus on the MCR and MWR in the uk they are going to struggle to sell many

On the note of Backhoes and the EW100:

Every 'normal' backhoe that I am aware of (with the exception of maybe Lannen & Huddig) runs on a torque converter and either synchro or power shift transmission, most of my experience (as expected) is with the Terex/Mecalac product which was a 4spd box and if it was the powershift version it had auto shifting between 2-3-4 when 4th was selected, which was quite nice on the road. They later added 'Direct Drive' to that transmission which essentially bypassed the torque converter to help the machine maintain speed on hills etc, and the difference was massive!

A Friend of mine had the Wacker UK EW100-2 demo machine out for a week not long ago, that machine is an all singing all dancing 100kw (135hp) version which, according to the GPS log he sent me happily sat at 40kph on the flat and on subtle down slopes hit 49kph before sending off an alert! Even on some of the hills he told me it was a stark contrast to his Liebherr 910, where the 910 would be doing 10 - 12kph the Wacker was 20kph +

Roading wise it seems they have hit the spot with that machine although it is significantly higher power than most machines of that size, as they tend to be around 80kw, I am very interested to see what the new Liebherr 909/911 manage with thier 80kw engne and 37kph transmission, for me the configuration of that machine with the side mounted boom is far better than the kingpost boom on the Wacker.
 
Storrsy

Storrsy

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I beleive the demo day you can to was an 11MWR, but concept is the same. The boom configuration definitely takes some time to get used to, once you've got your head around it they are amazingly capable, I used to put my little 7MWR in places I think most other wheeled machines would struggle and it would out lift a similar sized machine by a long way! If anyone ever wants to speak to me about Mecalacs I am more than happy to take a phone call and give you my thoughts on them.

It is tough to find a second hand one in the UK but there are a few out there working and some one decent hours now (5000+), I have a reasonable idea of where most of they are these days but unfortunately thats likely to diminish now that I have left Mecalac. They are still a machine I am very passionate about but until 'Mecalac' put some focus on the MCR and MWR in the uk they are going to struggle to sell many

On the note of Backhoes and the EW100:

Every 'normal' backhoe that I am aware of (with the exception of maybe Lannen & Huddig) runs on a torque converter and either synchro or power shift transmission, most of my experience (as expected) is with the Terex/Mecalac product which was a 4spd box and if it was the powershift version it had auto shifting between 2-3-4 when 4th was selected, which was quite nice on the road. They later added 'Direct Drive' to that transmission which essentially bypassed the torque converter to help the machine maintain speed on hills etc, and the difference was massive!

A Friend of mine had the Wacker UK EW100-2 demo machine out for a week not long ago, that machine is an all singing all dancing 100kw (135hp) version which, according to the GPS log he sent me happily sat at 40kph on the flat and on subtle down slopes hit 49kph before sending off an alert! Even on some of the hills he told me it was a stark contrast to his Liebherr 910, where the 910 would be doing 10 - 12kph the Wacker was 20kph +

Roading wise it seems they have hit the spot with that machine although it is significantly higher power than most machines of that size, as they tend to be around 80kw, I am very interested to see what the new Liebherr 909/911 manage with thier 80kw engne and 37kph transmission, for me the configuration of that machine with the side mounted boom is far better than the kingpost boom on the Wacker.
That's a great informative post thanks! Cost is the issue for me If a Mecalac or Wacker came up used at around £40k then it would be feasible but the used prices they're coming up at make them a really rather niche market for the majority when you look at what the same money will buy in a tracked machine.
 
V8Druid

V8Druid

do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
was very tempted to 'bust the budget ' back in 2012/13 with this ..... IIRC was £30/32-ish k ... Owner op in Norway .... Frank'll probably remember it -- recall he was up for a viewing, but it went quick :(
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APhillips

APhillips

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That's a great informative post thanks! Cost is the issue for me If a Mecalac or Wacker came up used at around £40k then it would be feasible but the used prices they're coming up at make them a really rather niche market for the majority when you look at what the same money will buy in a tracked machine.
I think that's just the general case for wheeled machines in particular, especially anything modern.

That's a fair machine, I'd prefer a Steelwrist on it though ;) I put 4 15's into Flannery last year and as far as I heard they were getting on really well with them, although they had bought them specifically for lifting on HS2.

was very tempted to 'bust the budget ' back in 2012/13 with this ..... IIRC was £30/32-ish k ... Owner op in Norway .... Frank'll probably remember it -- recall he was up for a viewing, but it went quick :(
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There was a really nice 714 for sale recently from the Netherlands, 710mm Nokian tyres etc, I think it sold for about £34k which would have been a bargain as it was one of the last built and had a lovely spec, albeit no tilty.
 
Storrsy

Storrsy

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I find the whole duck situation a bit frustrating. Because I love the machine for working- it's quick getting round on a displaced site, nipping up to the top of a field to load up a load of stone etc, the tyres in many ways lend themelves better to working on rough stoney ground then a tracked machine, all in all aside from bogey ground there isnt much than I miss about being on tracks when I do use the duck. I love the fact there's no messing with trailers hitching unloading just rock up and your ready to go. The only thing I can't stomach on my duck is the road speed, it really does make it a non starter for so many jobs where I need it just for a days work which is really where it's main benefit would lie. I think basically mine is just too antiquated for roading jobs, it all seems to get a bit hot and bothered by being on the road more than half an hour.
 
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