Engcon and OilQuick

[Engcon UK]

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The best of two worlds

OilQuick and Engcon are two well-known players. OilQuick is the best selling system in the world when it comes to fully automatic quick coupler systems and Engcon is a world leader in tiltrotators and accessories for excavators. During the summer and autumn they have decided to deepen their...

www.oilquick.com

 

[sjs5060]

Does that mean I can now have a tilty equipped with oilquick on the end of a 1.5/3 ton machine?

 

[TiltyShaun]

Does that mean I can now have a tilty equipped with oilquick on the end of a 1.5/3 ton machine?

If you read the article is says the yes.....but not yet!!

 

[Grahams]

If you read the article is says the yes.....but not yet!!

Need to get a lot more flow on the auxilary circuit to make it worth it for me. If I could run all my attachments with full 360 rotation and full power I would upgrade both of my tilties.

 

[Engcon UK]

There are two main issues regarding automatic hydraulic connectivity at the smaller end of the market. The first is the physical size of the hitch and the difficulties in getting a connector inside the body of the hitch. The second is the flow. Swivels are smaller and the galleries are often not capable of dealing with the flow expectations of their owners

You didn't hear it from me, but I'm getting asked for a QS40 on a weekly basis....

 

[Left hooker]

There are two main issues regarding automatic hydraulic connectivity at the smaller end of the market. The first is the physical size of the hitch and the difficulties in getting a connector inside the body of the hitch. The second is the flow. Swivels are smaller and the galleries are often not capable of dealing with the flow expectations of their owners

You didn't hear it from me, but I'm getting asked for a QS40 on a weekly basis....

I'm one s40 ec oil asap

 

[doobin]

What flow rate could one expect from an OilQuick S30?

If I'm going to do this tilty thing its looking like it'll need to be full spec to be worth the bother... and not for a couple of years yet either!

 

[Engcon UK]

What flow rate could one expect from an OilQuick S30?

If I'm going to do this tilty thing its looking like it'll need to be full spec to be worth the bother... and not for a couple of years yet either!

Just to clear up any potential confusion, the press release related to Engcon supplying OilQuick with tiltrotators for use with their proprietary hydraulic hitch system. We won't be supplying these through Engcon - it will be an OilQuick product.

To answer your question, Doob, you have to separate out the flow you can get through the hydraulic connector (Engcon's EC-Oil or another brand) and the flow you can get through the swivel in the tilty. While these are connected - literally - they are different and one will limit the other. ATM EC-Oil stops at around 6 tonnes because the smallest hitch we do at present with hydraulic connectivity is the QS45 which is 6 to 12 tonnes. It also depends on the back pressure that your attachments will accept as hammers and flails are sensitive to this. To give you an example, a single 45 EC-Oil block will give you 48lpm at 10 bar back pressure and 32lpm at 5 bar; whereas a double block will give 62lpm and 41lpm respectively. The maximum oil flow through the equivalent tilty (EC206) is 50lpm.

There isn't (AFAIK) an OilQuick S30 (nor is there an Engcon one, either). As I alluded earlier, getting these things to connect at the smaller end of the market is tricky and, when you do, you need to be sure that your attachment will run with the available flow and back pressure. With Ollie @Gunners sorting grab it's less of an issue because it's not particularly flow hungry, but if you have something that is then piping it separately around the tilty is the only realistic solution - this is what Graham @Grahams is doing, I beleive.

HTH

 

[TiltyShaun]

Just to clear up any potential confusion, the press release related to Engcon supplying OilQuick with tiltrotators for use with their proprietary hydraulic hitch system. We won't be supplying these through Engcon - it will be an OilQuick product.

To answer your question, Doob, you have to separate out the flow you can get through the hydraulic connector (Engcon's EC-Oil or another brand) and the flow you can get through the swivel in the tilty. While these are connected - literally - they are different and one will limit the other. ATM EC-Oil stops at around 6 tonnes because the smallest hitch we do at present with hydraulic connectivity is the QS45 which is 6 to 12 tonnes. It also depends on the back pressure that your attachments will accept as hammers and flails are sensitive to this. To give you an example, a single 45 EC-Oil block will give you 48lpm at 10 bar back pressure and 32lpm at 5 bar; whereas a double block will give 62lpm and 41lpm respectively. The maximum oil flow through the equivalent tilty (EC206) is 50lpm.

There isn't (AFAIK) an OilQuick S30 (nor is there an Engcon one, either). As I alluded earlier, getting these things to connect at the smaller end of the market is tricky and, when you do, you need to be sure that your attachment will run with the available flow and back pressure. With Ollie @Gunners sorting grab it's less of an issue because it's not particularly flow hungry, but if you have something that is then piping it separately around the tilty is the only realistic solution - this is what Graham @Grahams is doing, I beleive.

HTH

I pipe my fail around the tilty!!

 

[Engcon UK]

I pipe my fail around the tilty!!

Sorry Shaun, I did know that - just forgot to mention it

 

[V8Druid]

tripped over this this morning ..... interesting tool

 

[CPS]

tripped over this this morning ..... interesting tool

£50K without there tilt rotate system

 

[Left hooker]

£50K without there tilt rotate system

Guessing it could be run from tilty control system with out fitting all the extra stuff?

 

[Engcon UK]

Guessing it could be run from tilty control system with out fitting all the extra stuff?

I was just looking at that myself. They're using an EC-Oil ready hitch and the flow rates for the attachment are quite low - c. 60l/min so there's no reason for the extra plumbing and wiring if they decided to run it that way. I guess for the demo video it was just easier to do it all externally.

Quite why they've added a tilty function is beyond me (but I would say that anyway - wouldn't I?) Finland is a tilty-rich environment and creating a cut-off attachment that would run underneath the tilty with EC-Oil and electrics within the Engcon control system would have made it a bit more economical - as Aiden @CPS says. Bolting another joystick onto the MIG2s is just adding layers of unnecessary faff.

 

[Komatsu]

This is one Pat did a couple of years ago https://www.motocut.fi/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/C3612626-4F37-4FE5-B119-911D145B6921-1.pdf

 

[CPS]

I was just looking at that myself. They're using an EC-Oil ready hitch and the flow rates for the attachment are quite low - c. 60l/min so there's no reason for the extra plumbing and wiring if they decided to run it that way. I guess for the demo video it was just easier to do it all externally.

Quite why they've added a tilty function is beyond me (but I would say that anyway - wouldn't I?) Finland is a tilty-rich environment and creating a cut-off attachment that would run underneath the tilty with EC-Oil and electrics within the Engcon control system would have made it a bit more economical - as Aiden @CPS says. Bolting another joystick onto the MIG2s is just adding layers of unnecessary faff.

I think its more to do with larger companies looking to be more versatile! I.E take it of a machine in london today send it to manchester and have it working in the morning. There is a standard unit (or there was) that works directly under the tiltly.

 

[Engcon UK]

I think its more to do with larger companies looking to be more versatile! I.E take it of a machine in london today send it to manchester and have it working in the morning. There is a standard unit (or there was) that works directly under the tiltly.

That's the one that Ollie has put above your post, I guess. Not sure where you are getting the prices from but an integrated tilty with this cutter is, in effect, making the tilty a one trick pony. Tilties can make diggers tool carriers, but not in this case. Did you have any comparison figures for the tilty version as opposed to the straight hitch attachment, Aiden?

 

[CPS]

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That's the one that Ollie has put above your post, I guess. Not sure where you are getting the prices from but an integrated tilty with this cutter is, in effect, making the tilty a one trick pony. Tilties can make diggers tool carriers, but not in this case. Did you have any comparison figures for the tilty version as opposed to the straight hitch attachment, Aiden?

They approached me a few years ago about selling them here, I wasn't really interested as it was a new product that I didn't really see a lot of sales for in our area! The reason they approached me was cos i sell tiltlys and these obviously need one to make the sing! They didn't have this system at the time, Its is a one trick pony! solely for the manipulation of the cutter!
Price wise, I think you were into the £40k's plus the tiltly at the time! thats just from memory as i can't find the file!

 

[CPS]

Then there was this one, it uses a self contained plasma cutter to cut steel tube piles..... not sure how well it would work on dirty/rusty steel

 

[Lynchy]

Lol having spent last eight years chs,h beam n concrete piling can't see either of them being in high demand,even if firm I was on for,who spent big hadn't gone bust