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Dr pecker

Dr pecker

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Morning all
Hope we are all doing well and keeping your heads above water..
I have a customer just brought a Doosan 85 and is looking to fit a tilt rotator.
Looking for some feedback on the advantages/disadvantages of Engcon/Rototilt/Steelwrist
 
M

Monkeybusiness

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They are all good - I’ll happily sing the praises of Rototilt and their fitting/support network (I’ve got 2 and they are brilliant).
 
Randla

Randla

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Morning all
Hope we are all doing well and keeping your heads above water..
I have a customer just brought a Doosan 85 and is looking to fit a tilt rotator.
Looking for some feedback on the advantages/disadvantages of Engcon/Rototilt/Steelwrist
On this size of digger, I would make the following comments:

1: None of them make a bad tiltrotator. Mechanically, they are all sound and as well developed as you would expect.
2: You are most likely to be going for the fully proportional control system (all three have their own proprietary makes and they are not interchangeable). There's a shedload of advice on selection of systems in this section and all three can provide what you want. There is some debate about the relative merits of the smoothness, customisability and displays etc. Try before you buy.
3: The best way to navigate through this is to contact local owners in your weight range and ask for a go (at least 30 - 45 minutes and more if you can get it). The manufacturers will put you in touch if you can't find people yourself.
4: I would say that the single most dominant factor (but see below) in manufacture selection at present is service. It's not just about who's going to install it (it won't be the dealer BTW),but who will look after it when it breaks. How far away are they from your area in which you operate, how many engineers do they have (and if they are are a one man band, what's their attitude, do they do weekends/evenings etc) and can they think outside the box. A good tiltrotator engineer should be able to patch a repair to keep you going until the proper spares/fix arrives - unless you've broken something fundamental.
5: As @TiltyShaun says, get prices (but make sure you are comparing like-for-like). There isn't much discount available, but most will try and sweeten the deal if possible.
6: There are some differences around hydraulic connectivity (EC-Oil, Oil-Quick, SQ respectively) which, if your customer is going to be using hydraulic attachments regularly, is worth spending some time researching and talking to reference customers about. There are also some minor features that some have and some don't. I wouldn't say these are deal-breakers, but their importance comes down to individual preferences and the type of work undertaken.

There's more, but this should get you started.

HTH

Robert
 
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Dr pecker

Dr pecker

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Get some prices, then buy the Engcon.
In fairness I only have experience with Engcon and I can’t comment on the others. I have found them to be a great bunch to deal with and I am about to get my third!!
Hi Shaun, what about support around london, anyone close by you know of?
 
Pedrod355

Pedrod355

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@Engcon have no engineers in Scotland to fix warranty work, show stopper if you live up here.....
 
Quattromike

Quattromike

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@Engcon have no engineers in Scotland to fix warranty work, show stopper if you live up here.....
I know a guy who got engcon supplied and fitted from our mate Mr Mackintosh at HHH even though they do roto tilt, or did, so I'd be surprised if there aren't a few others that do it
 
Pedrod355

Pedrod355

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Yeh know Calum & another couple up here install but no dedicated engcon engineers for warranty work etc
 
M

Monkeybusiness

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What about Mr Engcon himself John Craig?
 
Gunners

Gunners

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I have had a few issues with mine, most were around the original install which were all fixed promptly and it ran for nearly a year no issues. Then the quick hitch ram broke, which I had parts delivered next day in the first lockdown too so couldn't complain too much there. Then more recently it broke the hitch ram again - this time parts took just over a week to arrive and luckily it broke with the grading bucket on (my most used bucket). But I had to go back to the fixed bucket when it broke. (top hitch came in handy). Then a few days later I broke the dipper pin clean in 2!
I've also got an ongoing issue with my grab, mainly ongoing because I simply haven't had time to look into what's happening properly. Its most likely to be dirt in the quick couplers that is stopping the flow - but could be something worse.

Its worth noting though that I am running the smallest tiltrotator on the largest machine and as you all know, I push that 8026 doing work that it really has no business doing. The tiltrotator has withstood all kinds of abuse, I look after my kit but it has to work hard for me. I wouldn't let the issues I have had, stop you buying one - because essentially I have had great backup from the issues I have had. And at the end of the day, that is a very important factor. All kit goes wrong
 
Pedrod355

Pedrod355

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As previously said above all tilt rotators are good & as i have found out it all boils down to customer support/back up etc when needed which would swing the purchase either way.
My engcon unit developed electrical faults from the off, got fault codes looked at once but never fixed issues, then wouldn’t come back even with engcon Sweden putting pressure on him to fulfil his warranty duties.

Couldn’t find anyone else to look at svab unit issues resulting in me having to remove svab unit completely then re fit engcon’s dc2 unit myself to save costs & because we were in lock down.Thankfully engcon helped and supplied this at a reduced price cost and gave me remote assistance.

All in all it has been a steep & costly learning experience due to installer.

Cost isn’t the only factor when purchasing this kind of equipment....
 
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