Coronavirus

[Jimoz]

@Jimoz, as above, death rates include a whole bunch of factors that only serve to confuse this issue.
Looking at infection rates alone gives you a much better idea if the implemented controls are working.

If the UK wants to be a global hub again, you'll need to get your act together.

We will have to disagree there. What good is cases as a measure when the majority will be asymptomatic and the FPR is undisclosed? Deaths are the only thing that matter IMO and not fiddled excess deaths statistics. If we have 70k dead "from" c19 at year end but flu deaths go from 10k plus to less than 1000 and all other causes go down to you know where you stand.

As to the UK being a global hub it's not a compliment but a fact. I'm not saying the UK is better than oz, I have dual citizenship! The fact is though oz and nz are at the arse end of the world. I would bet not many people travel through these countries but travel to them. I'm sure you could compare airport arrivals if you wanted a true picture.

 

[Jimoz]

I would presume these UK figures are flights only? Perhaps don't include the thousands of hgv drivers that come and go per day.
UK is globally connected and needs to trade to survive. Aus can seem very isolationist at times

 

[TiltyShaun]

We will have to disagree there. What good is cases as a measure when the majority will be asymptomatic and the FPR is undisclosed? Deaths are the only thing that matter IMO and not fiddled excess deaths statistics. If we have 70k dead "from" c19 at year end but flu deaths go from 10k plus to less than 1000 and all other causes go down to you know where you stand.

As to the UK being a global hub it's not a compliment but a fact. I'm not saying the UK is better than oz, I have dual citizenship! The fact is though oz and nz are at the arse end of the world. I would bet not many people travel through these countries but travel to them. I'm sure you could compare airport arrivals if you wanted a true picture.

Total deaths don’t deceive.

 

[Smiffy]

We will have to disagree there. What good is cases as a measure when the majority will be asymptomatic and the FPR is undisclosed? Deaths are the only thing that matter IMO and not fiddled excess deaths statistics. If we have 70k dead "from" c19 at year end but flu deaths go from 10k plus to less than 1000 and all other causes go down to you know where you stand.

As to the UK being a global hub it's not a compliment but a fact. I'm not saying the UK is better than oz, I have dual citizenship! The fact is though oz and nz are at the arse end of the world. I would bet not many people travel through these countries but travel to them. I'm sure you could compare airport arrivals if you wanted a true picture.

Add to that the different types and quantities of testing it makes it very vague
It's a bit of a case of u where to do more iq tests you would find more idiots but the world will still function

 

[Lynchy]

'failed' Ferguson back in the game,tells you all you need to know about this government response

New and Emerging Respiratory Virus Threats Advisory Group

The New and Emerging Respiratory Virus Threats Advisory Group (NERVTAG) advises the government on the threat posed by new and emerging respiratory viruses.

www.gov.uk

 

[V8Druid]

@Jimoz, as above, death rates include a whole bunch of factors that only serve to confuse this issue.
Looking at infection rates alone gives you a much better idea if the implemented controls are working.

As for Australia - life was nearly back to normal until a US air crew introduced a new strain a few weeks ago. Sydney is imploding and all other states are closing their borders to prevent the spread.
Boris didn't take it seriously until he got a dose and I think you are right - by the time he did take it seriously, it was way too late.
At the start of the year, I was living 1000km from the chinese border. I knew the sh!t was going to hit the fan by the second week in Jan. If I knew, every significant government would have had advisors watching what was developing.

Hong Kong has recently banned BA (and others) for two weeks as penalty for bringing in infected passengers.
If the UK wants to be a global hub again, you'll need to get your act together.

see on the box just now ... the Dutch have banned all incoming passenger flights from UK .... every country should have banned travel months ago .. end of

 

[Gecko]

As to the UK being a global hub it's not a compliment but a fact.

I think you may have taken offense when none was intended (my appologies all the same).

What I meant was that if the UK takes a year longer to get clean than (say) FR, Nl, DE, the traffic will have developed new habits that will be hard win back.

 

[Lancs Lad]

Anyone got themselves sorted with a COVID vaccine yet? There’s been a round up here in north east Scotland with front line and elderly all got the first dose.

Yep Grans just had it. Chuffed pink!

But on another note politely put no one gives a FF about AU And NZ they're are simply put at the arse end of the world with Zero global influence...if they want to lock themselves up fine...only them it's going to hurt..feel sorry for their businesses.
Yes I do love the country's ....been twice and was supposed to go again this year...

 

[Gecko]

no one gives a FF about AU And NZ they're are simply put at the arse end of the world with Zero global influence..

Again, your missing my point (and yes, AU&NZ are at the arse end of the world) ; the Divide & Conquer technique seems to have worked.
Yes it has been costly, but your lockdowns have been half-arsed, costly and largely ineffective.
It's like using half a condom.

.been twice and was supposed to go again this year...

Let me know when you are in town - I've got plenty of logs need cutting!

 

[V8Druid]

and they've succeeded to a large extent in isolating them selves form the rest of the infectious world ...... 'til someone gets in with it again

 

[Jimbo69]

Again, your missing my point (and yes, AU&NZ are at the arse end of the world) ; the Divide & Conquer technique seems to have worked.
Yes it has been costly, but your lockdowns have been half-arsed, costly and largely ineffective.
It's like using half a condom.

Depends which half

 

[Gecko]

and they've succeeded to a large extent in isolating them selves form the rest of the infectious world

True, but the english channel has worked pretty well for you guys over the century's.
Ther's a lot to be said for having a moat.

 

[V8Druid]

True, but the english channel has worked pretty well for you guys over the century's.
Ther's a lot to be said for having a moat.

yes but the ba**ards fly these days .... and we don't shoot enough of 'em out of the water to deter the tryers

 

[Lynchy]

Passports ready?

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[Smiffy]

and they've succeeded to a large extent in isolating them selves form the rest of the infectious world ...... 'til someone gets in with it again

Not to mention that large parts of the countrys basically self isolate of there own accord anyway
I mean some of the stations I visited when I worked in NZ the farmers could barely remember how to have a civilized conversation with anyone outside there immediate family

 

[Lancs Lad]

Again, your missing my point (and yes, AU&NZ are at the arse end of the world) ; the Divide & Conquer technique seems to have worked.
Yes it has been costly, but your lockdowns have been half-arsed, costly and largely ineffective.
It's like using half a condom.


Let me know when you are in town - I've got plenty of logs need cutting!

Hey woah...my point was that I'm sick of folk comparing Au and NZ to larger countries like UK etc..not a fair comparison...totally different dynamics involved.
Sorry maybe I was a tad harsh, had some good times in NZ
Haha where are you? I'll guess we'll be down in 2030

 

[Routy56]

My nans 84, hospital 2 miles away from her is doing it but she's not heard owt yet. How about your MIL @Routy56 ?
Neighbours son is a Dr. He's getting it next week.

Nope MIL not heard anything yet. Her apartment is 200 yds from the GPs Surgery.
Mind you, she has the 'flu jab a few weeks ago and toddled over there OK

 

[T whiting]

Yep Grans just had it. Chuffed pink!

But on another note politely put no one gives a FF about AU And NZ they're are simply put at the arse end of the world with Zero global influence...if they want to lock themselves up fine...only them it's going to hurt..feel sorry for their businesses.
Yes I do love the country's ....been twice and was supposed to go again this year...

My 93yr old grandma's down for her first dose on Monday so I'm well chuffed about that just get my dad with af sorted and that'll do for me

 

[JD450A]

Well London is now slugish as s**t, will have constant Ad Blue Faults and have to stop for Regeneration every other day? or am I getting confused

 

[Lancs Lad]

Well London is now slugish as s**t, will have constant Ad Blue Faults and have to stop for Regeneration every other day? or am I getting confused

Big ends gone mate. Fkked.
Been going for a while and now it's finally snapped.