cheaper to put £5m in a pile and burn it

[V8Druid]

https://www.theconstructionindex.co.uk/news/view/citb-drive-to-widen-talent-pool

WTF comes up with these hair brained, pocket lining schemes???
Local plod here, last year were trying to recruit applicants from ''lesser represented minorities '' ..... including pikies and non English speaking immis .... that'd work real well, eh??

 

[Brendan]

That's going to be open to abuse, could be in a situation where guys on site are working with machine ops who can barely speak English let alone read it

 

[Rob 210]

"Mace Group chief executive Mark Reynolds, who leads on skills at the Construction Leadership Council, said: “This new funding will have a huge impact, targeting people who traditionally don’t enter our industry. It will help to ensure that everyone can access high quality construction training and employers can find the right new people to deliver their projects and programmes.”

If these people REALLY wanted to work in the industry,they would all ready be in it.
Looks like a classic case of send them on a 2 week course give them a ticket for a piece of plant they have no experience in operating in the real world,then do a job they have no concept of at all and seriously injure or kill someone
perhaps I'm a bit under optimistic?

 

[tinydigger]

That's going to be open to abuse, could be in a situation where guys on site are working with machine ops who can barely speak English let alone read it

Already had that a couple of times when i have been on site delivering or collecting kit trying to explain where i want it on the bed of the truck in the end i had to clinb on the bed and stand where i wanted it then move and he still screwed it up

 

[Antony Holmes]

"Mace Group chief executive Mark Reynolds, who leads on skills at the Construction Leadership Council, said: “This new funding will have a huge impact, targeting people who traditionally don’t enter our industry. It will help to ensure that everyone can access high quality construction training and employers can find the right new people to deliver their projects and programmes.”

If these people REALLY wanted to work in the industry,they would all ready be in it.
Looks like a classic case of send them on a 2 week course give them a ticket for a piece of plant they have no experience in operating in the real world,then do a job they have no concept of at all and seriously injure or kill someone
perhaps I'm a bit under optimistic?

it would be a good start if the young ones could use a tape let alone let lose on a hired 13 toner, it may not have been ideal training but you use to need to work with machines for ages before you got a go and then it was ages more before you went on one all the time but i now it seems you can get all that experience and a ticket in a couple of weeks

 

[tinydigger]

"Mace Group chief executive Mark Reynolds, who leads on skills at the Construction Leadership Council, said: “This new funding will have a huge impact, targeting people who traditionally don’t enter our industry. It will help to ensure that everyone can access high quality construction training and employers can find the right new people to deliver their projects and programmes.”

If these people REALLY wanted to work in the industry,they would all ready be in it.
Looks like a classic case of send them on a 2 week course give them a ticket for a piece of plant they have no experience in operating in the real world,then do a job they have no concept of at all and seriously injure or kill someone
perhaps I'm a bit under optimistic?

When i left school all i wanted to do was be a machine opp but there was no schemes like that around here and couldn't afford the to self fund so ended up in aviation then as a driver till i got the job i am in now fitter for a hire company dealing with lifting gear. Would have loved to be given some help back then but as much as i looked i would get knocked back. Will end up like the nightclub security industry all the old guys who worked hard from the bottom up paying for there own and tickers will leave as the new guys who have had it all given to them will come in and get better looked after and payed more as they are taught by he new breed

Sorry for the rant but both subjects i have been caught out in

 

[V8Druid]

it would be a good start if the young ones could use a tape let alone let lose on a hired 13 toner, it may not have been ideal training but you use to need to work with machines for ages before you got a go and then it was ages more before you went on one all the time but i now it seems you can get all that experience and a ticket in a couple of weeks

classic example .... different reasons, but the same end result .... bit of a 'ticket collector' ...... and minimal experience

https://www.scottishplant.co.uk/17-year-old-gets-220x/

http://www.ceforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=9201

 

[Antony Holmes]

classic example .... different reasons, but the same end result .... bit of a 'ticket collector' ...... and minimal experience

https://www.scottishplant.co.uk/17-year-old-gets-220x/

http://www.ceforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=9201

to be fair that lad may have been driving 360 since he was in short trousers but their is always an exception to every rule

 

[V8Druid]

to be fair that lad may have been driving 360 since he was in short trousers but their is always an exception to every rule

possibly ..... but do you really think he'd be "given" a brand new 360 if his dad wasn't the contracts manager ??

 

[Antony Holmes]

possibly ..... but do you really think he'd be "given" a brand new 360 if his dad wasn't the contracts manager ??

hell no the first new 360 i was given to drive was a hymac 121b and i had been driving all sorts for years before that

 

[V8Druid]

hell no the first new 360 i was given to drive was a hymac 121b and i had been driving all sorts for years before that

did you like it .... very nearly bought one, 'fore Rob Taylor confirmed to me the wisdom of a duck

 

[topkit]

I had the same prob as Tiny Digger, when at school i only ever wanted to work with machines, our careers teacher was hopeless, i ended up on the railways playing with real trains which i did for 6-7 years and got to drive lots of stuff best was a 1000 ton Foster Yeoman stone train ! After that i did a few jobs but always managed to get in the seat of a digger in my spare time, i also put myself through the Tower Crane operators course and work on them for a while boy you think digger drivers put up with some thickets !! Try moving shuttering around when the wind picks up and getting called names by subbies coz you wont do dangerous lifts etc, then along came the Polaks and romanians they make great banksmen espesially when they cant speak english and you are doing a blind lift unreal, fortunately now we have land and i have diggers (i never keep them for long) so i get to use them frequently and ocasionally take out and do jobs for other people so have gained my skills and been told i am pretty good and have even taught a few young novices, hopefully they will become machine operators at least i am doing my bit to help. But really people and Bircham Newton & the trainers need to realise a ticket does'nt make you a good operator, It's experiece and common sense and a lot of people nowadays don't have a lot of the latter!!!

 

[JD450A]

possibly ..... but do you really think he'd be "given" a brand new 360 if his dad wasn't the contracts manager ??

My first thought.
Tbh i can appreciate the lad must be keen, but a rod is being made for his own back as I've never seen a boy become a man working under father or even family
Hopefully he is what hes made out to be and just a keen lad that is willing to listen and learn!

Trouble is without a fleet of tickets he wont get experience and without experience he won't get work.

Feel very sorry for him tbh as I have walked a few miles in those shoes. Working under dad in hindsight is a very poor way to learn and I really hope hes either under a foreman whos able to fire in some fucks or he gets a opportunity elsewhere to learn properly.

 

[topkit]

When i first got my ticket for both types of tower crane, i worked for an agency for nothing for one week and they always looked after me after showing i was serious about doing the work, The lad should go and work for an agency for a while as he will get put on all types and makes of machine and a use them in all sorts of situations, You always here of young lads coming out of training school with a crisp new certificate, They then go on site then get asked to do something which they then have problems in doing so they get kicked of site by some neandathol gibbon that does'nt understand that you have to learn somehow. They should have a kind of Mentor for the first few days/weeks to bring them on and give them confidence they all need, it only takes a load of 5h1t from a subbie and what little confidence they have is gone, i know some people will say but we havent got the time for that but if you want British operators doing the job then you have to give young lads and lasses a chance, i have over the years had blazing rows with banksmen they all act like they are frustrated crane drivers lol they might be able to sling a load but its a different story and perspective when you are sitting a couple of hundred feet in the air. I got kicked off site once because the teel erectors said i was slow ( half the time they could't read their plans) a week later i was back on site with a different steel gang and no problems, a week later the original gang were back and the same old crap again except for on thing as we were putting a this steel structure together i could see that it was not square so i kept quiet they only realised when the last piece did not fit ( very sweet revenge) i would have told them if they had been decent blokes but unfortunately the industry has its fair share of twats that dont do it any favours.

 

[Jimoz]

Got told that tower crane gig was good pay. Youngish bloke down the pub does it. He too was moaning about foreign banksman on blind lifts. Not allowing for the crane bending and load moving forward or something.

 

[topkit]

The wages certainly were good and it may have recovered a bit now, but at one point when we had so many operators apearing from the rest of Europe it drove the pay right down, Someone i know actually works on tower cranes all week and to make his money back up does weekend work on the railways operating 360's on ballast jobs. But hey as good old Tony and Gordon said we it will only be a few thousand workers coming over to the UK it is good or the economy to get all of these people over here working and driving the wages down, how great the open borders have been, but then the people who make these statements live on a different planet and arn't struggling to live.