cheap off grid power

[fred]

stumbles over this.

Basically buy a prius cheap (no tax etc) slap an inverter in the back and use it as a cheap large capaitry power supply. When its empty eithe rplug it in or take it to a cheap charger.

Seems better than a fossil fuel genny ?

PlugOut Power LLC

www.plugoutpower.com

 

[Lancs Lad]

stumbles over this.

Basically buy a prius cheap (no tax etc) slap an inverter in the back and use it as a cheap large capaitry power supply. When its empty eithe rplug it in or take it to a cheap charger.

Seems better than a fossil fuel genny ?

PlugOut Power LLC

www.plugoutpower.com

Interesting...looks clumsy and car manufacturers will take a running jump about warranty I bet..but good idea...just needs leccy car though..

We sell a true 3kw battery generator...will run chopsaw and extractor all day but..£££

 

[fred]

exactly, a prius can be had for a grand so its defo an option.

 

[Lancs Lad]

exactly, a prius can be had for a grand so its defo an option.

If you could face owning one ..

 

[doobin]

A fossil fuel generator charging a backup battery setup (or the Prius, it's basically just a battery on wheels) might be a better option. You're not going to do much welding etc off a Prius, and electricity isn't exactly cheap currently. Not to mention having to time it so that you could still make it to a charge point!

 

[GazCro]

Why are there second hand prius out there cheap? Cos the batteries in mint condition, I think not.

 

[Shovelhands]

What’s the disposal/recycling cost of these electric vehicles?

 

[Lancs Lad]

What’s the disposal/recycling cost of these electric vehicles?

Legit I bet it's bonkers...

I'm happy to have a go tho...as the explosion looks fun

 

[V8Druid]

" cheap off grid power "
doesn't exist ... to create your own, either wind/water/solar requires substantial/significant outlay ... factor their costs into their funtional lifetime ... add on the buggeration factor, for all the occasions they 'play up' and don't forget the installation costs/infrastructure required to connect them, plus their maintenance and everything else that goes with trying to run this sort of system and compare it to flicking a switch - even after it's all jumped in price .... really??

I bought my genny for 3ph, as the cost of installing three phase was waaaay over the top ........ can spend a lot of bucks on cherry for £25k, even with the £2.5k the 168hr unit cost, I doubt I'll ever spend that at 4ltr/hr for the amount of use it gets ...
aaand you'll struggle to rig 3 ph. from batteries ................... and 'fore anyone says it ... private power generation is exempt from white ... and gonna have to keep a decent stock level

 

[V8Druid]

What’s the disposal/recycling cost of these electric vehicles?

Legit I bet it's bonkers...

and WTF pays for it ?????
should be on the purchase cost ... ........ that'd finish the bollox 'fore it started

read somewhere the other night (and meant to save it) about acres of dead/dying/unwanted/unsaleable leccymobiles languishing in the weeds somewhere with the cost of re-processing them prohibitively expensive .. so they sit and rot ('til there's a fire)

 

[doobin]

and WTF pays for it ?????
should be on the purchase cost ... ........ that'd finish the bollox 'fore it started

read somewhere the other night (and meant to save it) about acres of dead/dying/unwanted/unsaleable leccymobiles languishing in the weeds somewhere with the cost of re-processing them prohibitively expensive .. so they sit and rot ('til there's a fire)

Come on now- it can't cost that much. I'd say even as scrap they'd be worth a packet- think how much normal lead acid batteries weigh in for.

I remember when you used to get old curtainsiders dumped in rural laybys full of IBCs of used chip fat. They'd be worth a fortuune now!

 

[GazCro]

and WTF pays for it ?????
should be on the purchase cost ... ........ that'd finish the bollox 'fore it started

read somewhere the other night (and meant to save it) about acres of dead/dying/unwanted/unsaleable leccymobiles languishing in the weeds somewhere with the cost of re-processing them prohibitively expensive .. so they sit and rot ('til there's a fire)

There's somewhere in Germany where they take crashed leccy cars which have damage to batteries and keep them submerged in sealed skips until they decide wtf to do with them.

 

[V8Druid]

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Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Electric cars: What will happen to all the dead batteries?

In the next 10 years millions of old electric car batteries will need to be recycled or discarded.

www.bbc.co.uk

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[V8Druid]

recycling battery packs .....
" ... putting a Powervault unit in his Victorian terrace house in southeast London, and he expects to save about 110 pounds a year. " .......WTF does he expect the Powervault to cost him ?????? and how many years does he expect to live to see any payback

strikes me that there're a lot of people trying very hard to (a) dig themselves out of a hole with WTF to do with millions of used batteries and (b) a few people trying to get rich off the back of this same issue .... bleeding the greens dry in the process

10,000/yr -- only take a century to deal with a million then

can just see the pikies and yards now

"Currently, for example, much of the substance of a battery is reduced during the recycling process to what is called black mass - a mixture of lithium, manganese, cobalt and nickel - which needs further, energy-intensive processing to recover the materials in a usable form.
Manually dismantling fuel cells allows for more of these materials to be efficiently recovered, but brings problems of its own.
"In some markets, such as China, health and safety regulation and environmental regulation is much more lax, and working conditions wouldn't be accepted in a Western context," says Gavin Harper, Faraday Institution research fellow.
"Also, because labour is more expensive, the whole economics of it make it difficult to make it a good proposition in the UK."

"And there are indeed powerful economic arguments for improving the recyclability of EV batteries - not least, the fact that many of the elements used are hard to come by in Europe and the UK.
"You've got the waste management problem on the one hand, but then on the flip side of that you've also got a great opportunity because obviously the UK doesn't have indigenous supplies of many factory materials," says Dr Harper.
"There's a bit of lithium in Cornwall, but by and large we've got challenges in terms of sourcing the factory materials that we need."
From a manufacturer's point of view, therefore, recycling old batteries is the safest way to ensure a ready supply of new ones.
"We need to secure - as a manufacturer, as Europeans - the sourcing of these materials that are strategic for mobility and for the industry," says Mr Hermine.
"We don't have access to these materials outside of this recycling field - the end-of-life battery is the urban mining of Europe."


well we have a few new 'buzzwords' in that lot

 

[6feetdown]

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Electric cars: What will happen to all the dead batteries?

In the next 10 years millions of old electric car batteries will need to be recycled or discarded.

www.bbc.co.uk

and on another note
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Creates a shortage of 2nd hand vehicles too

 

[V8Druid]

Creates a shortage of 2nd hand vehicles too

very good point that ..... unless one shells out a massive wedge for a new powerpack ???

but then VW might have that one covered

 

[V8Druid]

so where are all the EV aspirations in all of this crap ?????? or is that just for us European mugs to get ripped off with then ??????? ....
UK is a drop in the ocean in the world vehicle market, yet we're told we won't be able 'to play' with anything but leccy roller skates after 2030

Cheap Cars: VW targets emerging markets

Volkswagen and its Skoda unit are looking at producing low-budget models by 2020 for India, China and other emerging markets.

www.handelsblatt.com

 

[V8Druid]

fascinating

 

[6feetdown]

so where are all the EV aspirations in all of this crap ?????? or is that just for us European mugs to get ripped off with then ??????? ....
UK is a drop in the ocean in the world vehicle market, yet we're told we won't be able 'to play' with anything but leccy roller skates after 2030

Cheap Cars: VW targets emerging markets

Volkswagen and its Skoda unit are looking at producing low-budget models by 2020 for India, China and other emerging markets.

www.handelsblatt.com

Yet again played

 

[V8Druid]

Yet again played

think you mean shafted