V8Druid
do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
well you'd risk a few hundred quid in one I 'spose .... 
too many zeros and it's a big NO
too many zeros and it's a big NO
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Old Operator
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Have seen a couple of SANY machines round here - one owned by recycling company Cartwright's & used in yard only seen from distance but think about 7.5t Other one was on hire to crushing bucket maker TMA Machinery because it had a variable flow aux circuit to show bucket performance on various Lpm's for potential buyers - will put more on this on here https://www.planttalk.co.uk/threads/ye-old-crusher-buckets.3460/page-4#post-167343
craig
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Telford? I think I may have delivered one there, a 7.5 tonner.
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Old Operator
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Was it the Cartwright machine (thier yard is on Halesfied by Besblock's) or another location? I do see Sany advertized quite hard. I also saw some used by a major Brazilian gold mining firm on 'Parker's Trail' it would really depend whose components they had in them, that said if it is just a fabrication with western / Japanese components, well by the time it has crossed the world it would be no cheaper than a European maker?
TMA is in South Shropshire - think he just hired it in
TMA is in South Shropshire - think he just hired it in
craig
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Yes Cartwrights. on Halesfield, seem to remember a type of forecourt infront of a high block wall.
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Old Operator
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Hi Craig, are these Sany imported into a UK port somewhere near you? I just wondered how you came to be transporting them. Oddly enough just along the road from Cartwrights, Stokey is now located (originally from Wolves) & behind them Garvey Demolition - they have a high reach machine that has an alternative much shorter mass excavation boom that is transported on its own bespoke big hook body. A very versatile machine - but quite a job every time it has to be changed over! Pic Below, & Trackloader in Stokey's both a few weeks ago. The hi reach is Hitachi but they got put in a file marked Liebherr 621
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craig
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A dealer for them (sany) opened a depot near Corwen, they`ve got no transport based at that depot, and they got my number off an other dealer when asking about transport.
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Old Operator
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Regarding the French kit machines here are a couple of videos, first one is digging ripping & loading some very tough ground full of boulders
Second one is in sticky wet ground with a fair operator at the controls
It is often hard to judge these machines because a real novice is at the controls often for the first time. There was a huge ongoing court case between the designer & a man who had bought some rights to manufacture (Chargeur +) It was settled & the designer was allowed to set up Pelle HHO to make a refined model. Chargeur + has now gone tits up. (As has Axpan which made a very early Cassoulet design)
Pelle HHO (Fred Cassoulet) now makes both his own from scratch & also imports some basic Chinese machines. Interestingly the French built are more simple & basic (from a home mechanic's point of view) but are dearer than the Chinese imports he sells - probably because of all European components.
You have the option of buying the main French machine welded by them but buying the buckets, thumb, ripper as kitform, thus saving. Pity no Diesel option.
At my age it would be a glorified hobby machine - I sometimes think new vs. hammered by self drive idiots, it is (maybe?) a cheap way of getting a well equipped machine. Next simplest on my list is the JCB 8008 / 8010. Beyond that Bobcat /Develon E10
Track drive motor on 8010 = £800, French Machine about £200 Flowfit. I suspect the HHO machines about fit in the market where the later Powerfab stuff used to (Powerfab 360s still fetch a fair price on ebay if working)
All this academic unless I can wind up my late Dad's estate, have the house up for auction at new price - market has cooled in anticipation of Labour Budget
It is often hard to judge these machines because a real novice is at the controls often for the first time. There was a huge ongoing court case between the designer & a man who had bought some rights to manufacture (Chargeur +) It was settled & the designer was allowed to set up Pelle HHO to make a refined model. Chargeur + has now gone tits up. (As has Axpan which made a very early Cassoulet design)
Pelle HHO (Fred Cassoulet) now makes both his own from scratch & also imports some basic Chinese machines. Interestingly the French built are more simple & basic (from a home mechanic's point of view) but are dearer than the Chinese imports he sells - probably because of all European components.
You have the option of buying the main French machine welded by them but buying the buckets, thumb, ripper as kitform, thus saving. Pity no Diesel option.
At my age it would be a glorified hobby machine - I sometimes think new vs. hammered by self drive idiots, it is (maybe?) a cheap way of getting a well equipped machine. Next simplest on my list is the JCB 8008 / 8010. Beyond that Bobcat /Develon E10
Track drive motor on 8010 = £800, French Machine about £200 Flowfit. I suspect the HHO machines about fit in the market where the later Powerfab stuff used to (Powerfab 360s still fetch a fair price on ebay if working)
All this academic unless I can wind up my late Dad's estate, have the house up for auction at new price - market has cooled in anticipation of Labour Budget
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Stroppymonkey
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Talking of cheap Chinese stuff. I wonder how horrible one of these are to use? (and by the way - you can buy a brand new one cheaper!)
JD450A
Feral as Fk 🐾
Good for shallow rips across lawns and the like..... Hard stuff forget it.
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Stroppymonkey
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I’d be scared of finding stuff with it ! I’m too pussy to use my 3” x 760mm ripper tooth on the micro on customers jobs
Gecko
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Truly awful - don't go there.
See the tread on that tyre - does it look like a traction tread? - there is the first hint.
There is no drive to the wheels on these POS. Once you engage the chain, it will dig a hole, then you have to drag it toward you and let it "settle" back to full depth.
At the end of the day, you'll be nigh on crippled from dragging the machine and the bottom of the trench will be saw-toothed, so you'll be working with a crowbar and trenching shovel to get the depth you thought you'd get.
The auger that pushes the spoil out the side doesn't push it far enough - 1/ depending on the soil, a lot falls back in. 2/ there is now no space for the wheel, so you can't do a second pass.
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Stroppymonkey
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Excellent review.
Gecko
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Sorry I couldn't have been a little positive about it
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