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[Storrsy]

As I said in another thread, your thinking about it wrong. If you are running a company then you are equivalent of management. Anyone on here will get bored pushing slop round site but ultimately anyone on here is massively overqualified to do that. I'm not talking site management I'm talking about senior management positions where the same problem solving occurs but equally it is rewarded financially.

Thing is even if we're qualified we're not qualified. There's all sorts of skillsets around that most of us could offer and personally if I was employing someone, someone who has had the experience of running their own jobs, doing well and wearing many hats would be a very extractive proposition. But some can't look beyond the bits of paper. My CV would look like dogshit- 6 GCSEs and an out of date digger ticket- prime candidate for pushing slop around or stacking boxes of carrots in Tesco

 

[Vinpetrol]

As I said in another thread, your thinking about it wrong. If you are running a company then you are equivalent of management. Anyone on here will get bored pushing slop round site but ultimately anyone on here is massively overqualified to do that. I'm not talking site management I'm talking about senior management positions where the same problem solving occurs but equally it is rewarded financially.

Where are you going to find company’s that will promote someone to a senior managerial role that has no managerial experience other than working for themselves and doesn’t have a uni degree . We all know that this should be the case but do you really think it would happen ?

 

[Lancs Lad]

Where are you going to find company’s that will promote someone to a senior managerial role that has no managerial experience other than working for themselves and doesn’t have a uni degree . We all know that this should be the case but do you really think it would happen ?

That's because construction industry is obsessed in bullshit tickets.
In "normal" business a decent manager may have zero quals but can handle people well and understands business and can run a tight ship...he's been promoted on his merit rather than an armfull of tickets and weeks spent in a site hut watching screens that gives him the class 3 safety inducted management of bellends and how to safely park buckets in a fenced off zone.
A glance at linkedin will show it all....the ones with the most letters after their name posting the horrified at pictures of HSE violations in other country's...and then the back rubbing by their pathetic mates who all chime in..gay!!!!!!

 

[Smiffy]

Where are you going to find company’s that will promote someone to a senior managerial role that has no managerial experience other than working for themselves and doesn’t have a uni degree . We all know that this should be the case but do you really think it would happen ?

You would be very surprised at what can be achieved. Firstly there is a vast difference between culture of client side and contractor side. Most people on here's perceptions of management are very much in line with client side management. Contractor side management is very very different.

The other thing is you are selling yourself down in that statement. Experience is highly irrelevant in reality, knowledge is important but that will be their. It's your ability to sell yourself that gets the jobs.
If it's what you want then it is easily achievable.

 

[Vinpetrol]

You would be very surprised at what can be achieved. Firstly there is a vast difference between culture of client side and contractor side. Most people on here's perceptions of management are very much in line with client side management. Contractor side management is very very different.

The other thing is you are selling yourself down in that statement. Experience is highly irrelevant in reality, knowledge is important but that will be their. It's your ability to sell yourself that gets the jobs.
If it's what you want then it is easily achievable.

But that requires a company to take a punt on Storrsy with his 6 GCSEs and a couple months experience pottering about Devon in his duck to a managerial role . I don’t understand the difference between client side management or contractor side management but I know I could organise and run a building company better than most the ones I do work for, and I’d also bet Storrsy and Gunners could do it standing on their head . So how do they even get taken seriously let alone make an interview in current climate ?

 

[Smiffy]

But that requires a company to take a punt on Storrsy with his 6 GCSEs and a couple months experience pottering about Devon in his duck to a managerial role . I don’t understand the difference between client side management or contractor side management but I know I could organise and run a building company better than most the ones I do work for, and I’d also bet Storrsy and Gunners could do it standing on their head . So how do they even get taken seriously let alone make an interview in current climate ?

All the jobs are put out on LinkedIn or indeed.
You just apply for the job. Submit your c.v which is tailored to job with the correct buzz words.
You don't say "self employed man with digger"
You say "highly motivated individual with proven track record of delivering niche projects to high value clientele through a hands on approach"

It isn't going to happen with every company, I'm not going to suggest it will happen with kier or skanska. But in my experience it happens often enough with companies upto around 200 employees.

You have to want it. And it is hard work.

 

[Silversabre]

another tier of pen pushers to sip at the cream dish

Developer Salboy opens construction division to wider market

Salboy Construction will focus on time-critical and distressed housing schemes.

www.constructionenquirer.com

Salboy I thought owned Domis and usually it's been domis just working solely for salboy (bet fred)

Keep using the same subbies onsite and I've heard after a while buy them too, think they bought a landscape contractor.

 

[Stroppymonkey]

Thing is even if we're qualified we're not qualified. There's all sorts of skillsets around that most of us could offer and personally if I was employing someone, someone who has had the experience of running their own jobs, doing well and wearing many hats would be a very extractive proposition. But some can't look beyond the bits of paper. My CV would look like dogshit- 6 GCSEs and an out of date digger ticket- prime candidate for pushing slop around or stacking boxes of carrots in Tesco

That’s one more GCSE than me

 

[Vinpetrol]

That’s one more GCSE than me

I have an. O Level

 

[Storrsy]

I have an. O Level

I'm starting to feel a bit over qualified for this forum now!

 

[DaveDCB]

I got a ‘G’ in R.E , can’t imagine many got graded that low, quite impressive in reality.

 

[Lancs Lad]

I'm starting to feel a bit over qualified for this forum now!

I've a handful of GCSEs and no A levels.
Straight on the spanners after GCSEs.
Still not found a massive use for my GCSE geology.

 

[V8Druid]

I got a ‘G’ in R.E , can’t imagine many got graded that low, quite impressive in reality.

a G ????? ... when was that ??? ..........were A to E then unclassified when I took 'em ... and four x 3hr papers for Mathematics - arithmetic, geometry, trigonometry and algebra and had to pass them all !! never found a use for trig and very little for algebra, but the other two have been used extensively
IIRC 8 GCE,s and an A level , but it was 50+ years ago

 

[DaveDCB]

a G ????? ... when was that ??? ..........were A to E then unclassified when I took 'em ... and four x 3hr papers for Mathematics - arithmetic, geometry, trigonometry and algebra and had to pass them all !! never found a use for trig and very little for algebra, but the other two have been used extensively
IIRC 8 GCE,s and an A level , but it was 50+ years ago

2002 .. sure it was a G, i haven’t look at my cert for 24 years and when i last did i got blind drunk and forgot all about them

 

[sfrs4]

a G ????? ... when was that ??? ..........were A to E then unclassified when I took 'em ... and four x 3hr papers for Mathematics - arithmetic, geometry, trigonometry and algebra and had to pass them all !! never found a use for trig and very little for algebra, but the other two have been used extensively
IIRC 8 GCE,s and an A level , but it was 50+ years ago

Really, I'd of thought your old profession would have used trig a few times, to calculate the angle or length of cross bracing or like.
I used to think it was pointless until I was in the middle of Leeds Uni one day fitting a good lift, the diagonal cross beam that the ropes attach to was too long to even fit in the shaft and they have to be an exact length and sit at the correct angle so the ropes can pull straight up and down over the pully, needless to say this was the days before smart phones so I was racking my brain trying to figure out what length to cut it to make it fit the lift shaft, eventually my brain realised I was working in a University.... "Oi pal, do you know trig.... good, come here and figure this out for me please." They felt smug for "teaching" a spanner monkey something, I was just happy to be able to continue with the job, still don't know how to do trig though.

 

[V8Druid]

Really, I'd of thought your old profession would have used trig a few times, to calculate the angle or length of cross bracing or like.
I used to think it was pointless until I was in the middle of Leeds Uni one day fitting a good lift, the diagonal cross beam that the ropes attach to was too long to even fit in the shaft and they have to be an exact length and sit at the correct angle so the ropes can pull straight up and down over the pully, needless to say this was the days before smart phones so I was racking my brain trying to figure out what length to cut it to make it fit the lift shaft, eventually my brain realised I was working in a University.... "Oi pal, do you know trig.... good, come here and figure this out for me please." They felt smug for "teaching" a spanner monkey something, I was just happy to be able to continue with the job, still don't know how to do trig though.

Oh aye, did plenty of diag./angle calc.s ... old Sinclair Scientific was always on me desk - either that or good ol' Pythg's theorem, for lengths/ctrs

 

[V8Druid]

First-time buyers need more financial help from government, Bellway boss says

Three years after Help to Buy ended, Jason Honeyman says state support would kickstart stagnent housing sector

www.building.co.uk

and the rest of us can all sod off and suffer/struggle

 

[V8Druid]

so what's opinions on this then

not the greatest looking stuff

Travis Perkins launch recycled aggregate trial with Ecoblend

Builders’ merchant piloting Ecoblend aggregate containing up to 30% recycled C&D waste

www.agg-net.com

 

[Smiffy]

so what's opinions on this then
View attachment 79739 not the greatest looking stuff

Travis Perkins launch recycled aggregate trial with Ecoblend

Builders’ merchant piloting Ecoblend aggregate containing up to 30% recycled C&D waste

www.agg-net.com

It's nothing new, we have been using it for years. Will just come in a TP bag now. It's good stuff especially as where day aggregate operate, quarried type one is 3x the price

 

[Monkeybusiness]

I passed a water main renewal locally (Cheshire, it’ll be a United Utilities line) and the road had been dug up in various locations to access the pipe. They’d backfilled (before tarmac) with recycled mot that looks exactly like the local skip firm produce (crushed brick with bits of glass, LEGO, light fittings etc mixed in as a rule). It goes down really hard but I was surprised to see it used under a road, are there not specs for this type of buildup?