Anyone had a Volvo ecr25D on an ifor williams 1054BT trailer ?

[Smooth operator]

My ecr25d has the additional counter weight , hydraulic hill hitch , 300 mm rubber tracks and my weigh bridge weight is 3480 kg with buckets so right on it !
(Just noticed my typo in my earlier post ) .
My new ifor has the short skids on bit lighter , much prefer the ramp tbh and they are already starting to curl up at the ends so will be changing back to a ramp . They are hard to get traction on compared to the ramp aswell.

 

[Vinpetrol]

Ive had both and only changed to the ec27d because the zero swing ecr25d was a bit noddy with the Tiltrotator, all i would say is go through the spec sheets carefully, a 27 without the counterweight is not much heavier than a 25 with one and although they appear very much the same the 27 has slightly greater pump output and larger rams and operates quite differently.

I remember reading what you said about the difference and appreciate all of it . When I looked at the spec the engines and pumps were identical unless I missed something ( highly likely) the 25 having a slightly shorter boom and the obvious lack of arse . But I do a lot of towing for small jobs and vosa very trigger happy when it comes to pulling trailers and I know they’ve had a couple of Ifor’s not over on gross but over on axle weight so having a wee bit more in hand is very tempting . Especially as the dealer has both machines stock just now

 

[Vinpetrol]

Have a look at capital plant , my local volvo dealer got a ecr25d and a 27 both ex demo for sale and both priced competitively against new .

Both demos been sold but they have a new one of 25 and 27 in stock it’s them I’m speaking too . They seem ok

 

[Vinpetrol]

Martin conway is the man to talk to

I’m speaking with an Iain

 

[Vinpetrol]

My ecr25d has the additional counter weight , hydraulic hill hitch , 300 mm rubber tracks and my weigh bridge weight is 3480 kg with buckets so right on it !
(Just noticed my typo in my earlier post ) .
My new ifor has the short skids on bit lighter , much prefer the ramp tbh and they are already starting to curl up at the ends so will be changing back to a ramp . They are hard to get traction on compared to the ramp aswell.

Mines got the ramp and it is very handy . Is it much heavier ?

 

[JerryRtilt]

My ecr25d has the additional counter weight , hydraulic hill hitch , 300 mm rubber tracks and my weigh bridge weight is 3480 kg with buckets so right on it !
(Just noticed my typo in my earlier post ) .
My new ifor has the short skids on bit lighter , much prefer the ramp tbh and they are already starting to curl up at the ends so will be changing back to a ramp . They are hard to get traction on compared to the ramp aswell.

I think i worked out the ec27d without the counterweight and with the short dipper option is 55 kg more than the ecr25d, but that's only from the spec sheets so you might have to loose a bucket to stay legal. as far as i know the IW 1054 is the lightest trailer unless you go for a Allumax which are silly money and only a few kg less.

 

[Smooth operator]

He is in charge down there .
I cant fault them for service , they tend to get alot of ex volvo demos etc .
I find them easy to deal with , straight forward.

 

[Smooth operator]

From memory I think the ramp is only 20 kg more !

 

[JerryRtilt]

I remember reading what you said about the difference and appreciate all of it . When I looked at the spec the engines and pumps were identical unless I missed something ( highly likely) the 25 having a slightly shorter boom and the obvious lack of arse . But I do a lot of towing for small jobs and vosa very trigger happy when it comes to pulling trailers and I know they’ve had a couple of Ifor’s not over on gross but over on axle weight so having a wee bit more in hand is very tempting . Especially as the dealer has both machines stock just now

The 25 is the way to go then still great machines and i do miss the zero swing at times, just found it didn't work that well with a tilty.

 

[Smooth operator]

I have one with a ramp from new now 5 years old ordered a new one 2 years ago and just took delivery and went for the skids as I thought it would be better for loading when the ground is out as they are independent but wish I did not bother.
I also went for a 48 mm spacer block that has been good and bad . You can hardly tell the trailer is on now weight wise but notice the lack of nose weight in regards to traction on slippery surfaces I get wheel spin on wet roads now pulling away ! Just sit there bringing attention to myself looking like I am pulling about 5 ton ! Probably legal now in regards to nose weight but it's all very minimal really.

 

[Storrsy]

I remember reading what you said about the difference and appreciate all of it . When I looked at the spec the engines and pumps were identical unless I missed something ( highly likely) the 25 having a slightly shorter boom and the obvious lack of arse . But I do a lot of towing for small jobs and vosa very trigger happy when it comes to pulling trailers and I know they’ve had a couple of Ifor’s not over on gross but over on axle weight so having a wee bit more in hand is very tempting . Especially as the dealer has both machines stock just now

What happened to the Yanmar? I though you were keen not to get zero tail?

Interesting that the ECr25 on a way bridge came in so close to 3.5t despite being one of the lighter "2.7" ton diggers on paper. Confirms what I thought, despite all the paper weights, it's all pretty theoretical. I reckon most of us running 2.7t are pretty much overnight in one aspect or another. If not the whole trailer then at least an axle/hitch etc.
I'd actually dread to weigh my TB125 on the bridge. Ignorance is bliss

 

[Storrsy]

I remember reading what you said about the difference and appreciate all of it . When I looked at the spec the engines and pumps were identical unless I missed something ( highly likely) the 25 having a slightly shorter boom and the obvious lack of arse . But I do a lot of towing for small jobs and vosa very trigger happy when it comes to pulling trailers and I know they’ve had a couple of Ifor’s not over on gross but over on axle weight so having a wee bit more in hand is very tempting . Especially as the dealer has both machines stock just now

Your not tempted by one of the half way house diggers? As in the 2.2- 2.5t size? Such as the Wacker ET24, Tak Tb225 or Yanmar sV22?

I'd take the Wacker out of all those, they supply it with the same size buckets as the 2.7t, proper undercarriage, plenty of scope for attachments and other shite on the trailer, easier on the tow vehicle, no worrying about VOSA, I think its the way I'm going to head as if it's too big for that size machine must as well just get the 8 tonner on it instead. the 2.7t definitely punch above their weight and are clearly the best thing you can get on a job without external haulage but if you have bigger machines as well....then alot to be said for the 2.4t range....

 

[JerryRtilt]

Your not tempted by one of the half way house diggers? As in the 2.2- 2.5t size? Such as the Wacker ET24, Tak Tb225 or Yanmar sV22?

I'd take the Wacker out of all those, they supply it with the same size buckets as the 2.7t, proper undercarriage, plenty of scope for attachments and other shite on the trailer, easier on the tow vehicle, no worrying about VOSA, I think its the way I'm going to head as if it's too big for that size machine must as well just get the 8 tonner on it instead. the 2.7t definitely punch above their weight and are clearly the best thing you can get on a job without external haulage but if you have bigger machines as well....then alot to be said for the 2.4t range....

To be honest if i was moving my 2.7 (ish)ton machine more often i would look closely at the ET24 maybe with Engcon's slightly lighter tilty than my Rotatilt, they just look to have a lot of tailswing?

 

[Vinpetrol]

Your not tempted by one of the half way house diggers? As in the 2.2- 2.5t size? Such as the Wacker ET24, Tak Tb225 or Yanmar sV22?

I'd take the Wacker out of all those, they supply it with the same size buckets as the 2.7t, proper undercarriage, plenty of scope for attachments and other shite on the trailer, easier on the tow vehicle, no worrying about VOSA, I think its the way I'm going to head as if it's too big for that size machine must as well just get the 8 tonner on it instead. the 2.7t definitely punch above their weight and are clearly the best thing you can get on a job without external haulage but if you have bigger machines as well....then alot to be said for the 2.4t range....

I did look at that size . Mainly the 22 yanmar . I got put off because they are more of a grown up 18 rather than a small 25/27 .

 

[Vinpetrol]

What happened to the Yanmar? I though you were keen not to get zero tail?

Interesting that the ECr25 on a way bridge came in so close to 3.5t despite being one of the lighter "2.7" ton diggers on paper. Confirms what I thought, despite all the paper weights, it's all pretty theoretical. I reckon most of us running 2.7t are pretty much overnight in one aspect or another. If not the whole trailer then at least an axle/hitch etc.
I'd actually dread to weigh my TB125 on the bridge. Ignorance is bliss

I went back to look at the yanmar , the lack of left offset is an issue I can’t ignore .
The issue of weight for the other options pushes me back to the 25 , I had one on hire about a year ago and was impressed with it .
The chances of me actually putting a tilt rotator on it are unlikely so it kind of makes sense . Especially as it’s at the lighter end of the 2.5 -3 tonne range and I can always throw a couple of the smaller buckets in the van for a longer run .

 

[Vinpetrol]

Anyone got the hydraulic harford hitch ? If so what’s it like?

 

[Nick...]

Has it done many hours so far Nick

Just under a thousand.only really used on farm nowadays and I’ve pretty much had enough of everyone I work for knowing more than me and telling me how to do my job.started site work in 1986.im now 61 and I’d rather be at home on farm.i do work for one local builder and use his takeuchi s which suits me as I don’t have to worry about fuel or anything else.just turn up and drive
nick...

 

[doobin]

Anyone got the hydraulic harford hitch ? If so what’s it like?

If it's anything like their manual one it will be absoloutely spot on.

 

[Vinpetrol]

Just under a thousand.only really used on farm nowadays and I’ve pretty much had enough of everyone I work for knowing more than me and telling me how to do my job.started site work in 1986.im now 61 and I’d rather be at home on farm.i do work for one local builder and use his takeuchi s which suits me as I don’t have to worry about fuel or anything else.just turn up and drive
nick...

I'm 3 years behind you Nick , started on site in 81 . I can definitely sympathise but can't see me doing anything else !

 

[Vinpetrol]

If it's anything like their manual one it will be absoloutely spot on.

does your manual one ever come loose ? I have a new manual one (year old)on my 1.8 Volvo and I'm permanently needing to tighten it