A Challenge...

[Engcon UK]

I thought I'd put this up here before anyone else did.....

You have to admire the grit with which the guy is approaching this, but I've had cast iron parts welded before and it's not what I'd call a DIY garage job. I'm sure Dr Dru will have comments aplenty

 

[Komatsu]

What a great video, looking forward to see how the welding goes.......you really need to sort these workshop days out Robert, they would go down very well.

 

[Monkeybusiness]

What sort of money would a new casting be? £2k ish?

 

[Engcon UK]

What a great video, looking forward to see how the welding goes.......you really need to sort these workshop days out Robert, they would go down very well.

Thanks Ollie

Yes - I thought the pros of the instructional value of the video would outweigh the cons of a broken tilty. The welding is going to be the issue - I had the head and block off my vintage car repaired and IIRC they had to slowly heat both up to around 600 degrees C over 3 days before welding. I can't see how he's going to do that in the garage, but let's see.

I'm also waiting for the phone call asking for the torque settings for the studs when he starts to reassemble it

 

[Engcon UK]

What sort of money would a new casting be? £2k ish?

Bit less, I think. Around £1600 including postage (including stickers, natch)

 

[TiltyShaun]

I I’ve taking things apart....just not so good at working on how to put then back together!

Thankfully I was happy to take up the offer when available for a unit suitable for my little digger!!

 

[doobin]

Wonder how it broke? Thought they were supposed to be indestructable.

 

[Engcon UK]

Wonder how it broke? Thought they were supposed to be indestructable.

Not sure Doob and the chances of me finding out are poor. I think the Vid is Norwegian and we have a distributor over there rather than an Engcon sales office. Could be impact or a casting failure (would be warranty if the latter). Generally they are very robust, but it's possible to break anything.

Plug: Only fit GENUINE Engcon spare parts

 

[Komatsu]

Thanks Ollie

Yes - I thought the pros of the instructional value of the video would outweigh the cons of a broken tilty. The welding is going to be the issue - I had the head and block off my vintage car repaired and IIRC they had to slowly heat both up to around 600 degrees C over 3 days before welding. I can't see how he's going to do that in the garage, but let's see.

I'm also waiting for the phone call asking for the torque settings for the studs when he starts to reassemble it

They all break Robert.....everything breaks, think it’s a great video and he clearly has an nack for this sort of stuff....well rather than waiting, why don’t you get someone from over there to get in-touch with him and get some stickers and the like sent across with the settings.......aside form the break, the fact that you can see that they are not really a mind field to take apart, I’m sure will reassure people that if you wanted to do your own servicing on one, you can do with out much trouble......

How did your car turn out?

 

[Engcon UK]

They all break Robert.....everything breaks, think it’s a great video and he clearly has an nack for this sort of stuff....well rather than waiting, why don’t you get someone form over there to get in-touch with him and get some stickers and the like sent across with the settings.......aside form the break, the fact that you can see that they are not really a mind field to take apart, I’m sure will reassure people that if you wanted to do your own servicing on one, you can do with out much trouble......

How did your car turn out?

Andrew's already been in touch - we've let him know the grade of ductile cast iron we use (and the cost of a replacement housing). I've taken in your comment about servicing and workshop practice as well, Ollie

I'll post you a before and after of the cylinder head when I get home - it's on my personal PC

 

[JD450A]

It's do'able. Just a matter of the cooling time that's the issue. Need to keep it hot! Should fit in a oven though,.

 

[Komatsu]

I've taken in your comment about servicing and workshop practice as well, Ollie

You took them about 2 years ago so I won’t hold my breath....... I’d quite happily pay for a day with one of your service partners, with say no more than 4 others to strip down and put back together a 219 unit so you can do simple little things yourself rather than have to get someone else out to do it.
I know when the seal went in my rotator on my first 219, I was thinking the whole lot would have to come apart to get to it, but John Craig basically just took a few pipes off and pulled it out like a baby at the side of the road, was impressive to see.[/QUOTE]

 

[Komatsu]

I'll post you a before and after of the cylinder head when I get home - it's on my personal PC

Has it been as good as new since?

 

[Regy53]

that is for sure the sort of project i would undertake and within 20 seconds forget what the hell goes where let alone the bolts

 

[Lynchy]

It's do'able. Just a matter of the cooling time that's the issue. Need to keep it hot! Should fit in a oven though,.

Used to use induction heating on mining shovel buckets,along with blankets and the 'crayons',not many ovens big enough for rh120/200 buckets and much better heat spread/control

 

[Rob65]

The precise technique required to weld that casting will depend on the grade of the metal. Since that has been provided to the owner he should be able select the right welding rods and preheating / cooling regime.

The problem will be how he can actually do the heating and how he can control the temperature. My guess would be to put it on a gas bbq keep it wrapped in a fibreglass welding blanket and regular checks with an infrared thermometer adjusting the bbq accordingly.

I’m to predict with high nickel rods and a bit of ingenuity it’s doable. Will be interested in Druids opinion on this.

Rob

 

[V8Druid]

The precise technique required to weld that casting will depend on the grade of the metal. Since that has been provided to the owner he should be able select the right welding rods and preheating / cooling regime.

The problem will be how he can actually do the heating and how he can control the temperature. My guess would be to put it on a gas bbq keep it wrapped in a fibreglass welding blanket and regular checks with an infrared thermometer adjusting the bbq accordingly.

I’m to predict with high nickel rods and a bit of ingenuity it’s doable. Will be interested in Druids opinion on this.

Rob

just found this ...... better have a look at the vid ...

I I’ve taking things apart....just not so good at working on how to put then back together!

that is for sure the sort of project i would undertake and within 20 seconds forget what the hell goes where let alone the bolts

I'm of the school of .... some one made it/put it together therefore it'll come apart .... and go back together ... never failed yet, or been beaten .... quite

 

[V8Druid]

Wonder how it broke? Thought they were supposed to be indestructable.

nah ..... anything's bustable if you're trying enthusiastically enough ... should see some of the horror stories on Maskinisten

 

[V8Druid]

I thought I'd put this up here before anyone else did.....

You have to admire the grit with which the guy is approaching this, but I've had cast iron parts welded before and it's not what I'd call a DIY garage job. I'm sure Dr Dru will have comments aplenty

I like this bloke .... not afraid to have a go ... it's gotta come apart some how ..... will be interesting to see how he gets on.

Robert ... are these really cast Iron or malleable ..... or even cast steel .... not enough of a view in the vid to make a judgement... or even austentitic grey cast ?? tough stuff ... done right he'll crack it (no pun intended) ....

would like to know HTF it got broken .... must've been giving it some s**t ..... says the bloke who broke his .... giving it a little too much in the wrong direction ..... ooops

's a while ago

watched one of his vids on his rotator ... he's glowing about his $200US Chinese rotator unit ... would love to know where he found one for 200 US bucks .... Jake'd get a tilty
Velly interlesting

 

[LDK]

I like this bloke .... not afraid to have a go ... it's gotta come apart some how ..... will be interesting to see how he gets on.

Robert ... are these really cast Iron or malleable ..... or even cast steel .... not enough of a view in the vid to make a judgement... or even austentitic grey cast ?? tough stuff ... done right he'll crack it (no pun intended) ....

would like to know HTF it got broken .... must've been giving it some s**t ..... says the bloke who broke his .... giving it a little too much in the wrong direction ..... ooops

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's a while ago

watched one of his vids on his rotator ... he's glowing about his $200US Chinese rotator unit ... would love to know where he found one for 200 US bucks .... Jake'd get a tilty
Velly interlesting