2-2.7 ton diggers?

[Smiffy]

my thoughts were to be able to do what I cant with a micro so remove tree stumps and 3m deep footings. Having looked at some specs im not sure 3m deep is possible with 2.7 ton. My e10 was not far off max depth the other day at about 1500mm. It would prob go a tiny bit more if lined up better but not much. Also im not sure if it would handle a 600 bucket to well. I would like to mostly work in peoples gardens because I don't like waiting for my pay, certainly not 3 months but i would be happy to work for companies that don't take the piss. To be honest I think a 2 ton machine would suit the work im likely to get and also im guessing the price is £20,000 for 2t and £30,000 for 2.7t if looking to buy new. That seams a lot of cash for a little bit more digger?

I think if you wanted to regularly dig 3m footings you would need a telescopic boom
I've done it with a 3.5t machine and it wasn't a productive days work
Would literally only touch the bottom for maybe 200mm before having to reposition

Also I've never driven a tak let alone the model I posted so have no opinion on them I posted it as as far as I am aware it's the only machine that sits in that weight range and that and the Kato are the only off the shelf 2t plus machines with expanding tracks but the Kato is too heavy to tow
Also weight wise hitachis weight include is the wet weight and a ditching bucket pinned on so they are pretty easy to look at weight wise

 

[Nick...]

When looking at dig depth you really want to take 450plus MM of that figure quoted by manufacturers. Unless you want to dig and move back 2inches and dig a bit more then move another couple inches.depthquoted is full reach to bucket teeth and not flat bottomed trench or hole.also quoted figure is generally with blade at rear of machine put fully down adding a bit more depth,putting all machine weight over sprockets which ain’t ideal if digging a hole with a vertical wall.can get very dangerous.id say with my volvo ecr 25d with long dipper 6 ft is a good depth for flat bottom trench without continually moving.
nick...

 

[Brendan]

my thoughts were to be able to do what I cant with a micro so remove tree stumps and 3m deep footings. Having looked at some specs im not sure 3m deep is possible with 2.7 ton. My e10 was not far off max depth the other day at about 1500mm. It would prob go a tiny bit more if lined up better but not much. Also im not sure if it would handle a 600 bucket to well. I would like to mostly work in peoples gardens because I don't like waiting for my pay, certainly not 3 months but i would be happy to work for companies that don't take the piss. To be honest I think a 2 ton machine would suit the work im likely to get and also im guessing the price is £20,000 for 2t and £30,000 for 2.7t if looking to buy new. That seams a lot of cash for a little bit more digger?

It's not far off 2m (only for a few inches at a time)with quick hitch fitted, but bucket force not the best so any clay below 1.2m can be a pain. If you are going deep make sure the blade is behind as the boom will hit it
The 600mm bucket is fine, manages it well
Only thing I find with the white hitch and buckets is that the vertical dig is a bit crap.
It will manage a full of shingle/type1 dx19 900mm bucket at full reach although don't really use it often - I wanted a 900mm as the step up from 600-710 is abit too close although murley instead of getting a micro digger bucket have me a 1.9t version.

Power wise the dx10/E10 doesn't have any more power than my old tb108, I do miss quite a few bits from the old machine namely the ability to offset boom 90 degrees both ways and the ability to move a nearly full bulk bag plus the tipping height was far greater

 

[Storrsy]

What about the yanmar SV26. I had one out on demo a year ago- unfortunately it had the most horrendous hitch once can imagine which spoilt the experience a bit- couldn’t even load a 3 ton dumper with out the spoil coming out of the bucket as the hitch totally ruined the geometry of the tipping ram.... anyway I digress I was quoted £23500 for one which I thought was very fair and at 2600kg they’re towable. Plus proportional aux controls etc- could have been a very nice machine.
The Tak TB225 doesn’t appeal to me whatsoever though- kind of a half way house between 1.8t and 2.8t but still wider than a meter but poor ground clearance and skinny tracks, nah just not for me but can see why some might like it....

 

[Gunners]

I drove the TB225 at plant works and didn't really rate it. I had a good hunt around for some services in the testing area and just found the machine a bit underwhelming and quite slow. Very basic in the cab too. Smooth enough to operate but then when a machine is that slow it should be smooth! Not for me.
When I bought my dumper earlier this year, I had a really good chat with one of the fitters about not just my dumper but also the Kubota's then sell. He really knew his stuff and I didn't realise that not only do the basic machines come with geared pumps etc as we know, in Kubota's at least - they also have smaller gauge pipework. All of which adds up to considerably worse performance, especially for those of us who like our machines. He said the U17 (which is in the running against an 18z for replacement of my 8015) and the KX19-4 both run the bigger pipework/ better pumps and that's why they drive so much better. It was a breath of fresh air talking to this guy, really knew his stuff and had worked for other plant companies I know of before so his knowledge wasn't just limited to the one brand. People like him should be selling machines not these quite often sales sales sales led office boys.
I've dug to 3m a few times with my 8026, its a trick that earns it quite a few hires but as others have said, its not easy, you constantly need to move and usually need the blade down behind you to get the extra reach you need. But it can be done and when you really need to dig to 3m, its better to be able to (even if awkward) than not.

 

[GazCro]

I drove the TB225 at plant works and didn't really rate it. I had a good hunt around for some services in the testing area and just found the machine a bit underwhelming and quite slow. Very basic in the cab too. Smooth enough to operate but then when a machine is that slow it should be smooth! Not for me.
When I bought my dumper earlier this year, I had a really good chat with one of the fitters about not just my dumper but also the Kubota's then sell. He really knew his stuff and I didn't realise that not only do the basic machines come with geared pumps etc as we know, in Kubota's at least - they also have smaller gauge pipework. All of which adds up to considerably worse performance, especially for those of us who like our machines. He said the U17 (which is in the running against an 18z for replacement of my 8015) and the KX19-4 both run the bigger pipework/ better pumps and that's why they drive so much better. It was a breath of fresh air talking to this guy, really knew his stuff and had worked for other plant companies I know of before so his knowledge wasn't just limited to the one brand. People like him should be selling machines not these quite often sales sales sales led office boys.
I've dug to 3m a few times with my 8026, its a trick that earns it quite a few hires but as others have said, its not easy, you constantly need to move and usually need the blade down behind you to get the extra reach you need. But it can be done and when you really need to dig to 3m, its better to be able to (even if awkward) than not.

Something that comes up with various makes of machine this and often puzzles me to a point, but define basic cab on a mini digger. Not having a go at you in any way i just don't know what people expect to find.

 

[doobin]

my thoughts were to be able to do what I cant with a micro so remove tree stumps and 3m deep footings. Having looked at some specs im not sure 3m deep is possible with 2.7 ton. My e10 was not far off max depth the other day at about 1500mm. It would prob go a tiny bit more if lined up better but not much. Also im not sure if it would handle a 600 bucket to well. I would like to mostly work in peoples gardens because I don't like waiting for my pay, certainly not 3 months but i would be happy to work for companies that don't take the piss. To be honest I think a 2 ton machine would suit the work im likely to get and also im guessing the price is £20,000 for 2t and £30,000 for 2.7t if looking to buy new. That seams a lot of cash for a little bit more digger?

I'd say thats about right, 16-19k for a 2 ton spec dependant and 24-28k for a 2.7t. Day rate for 2 tone £270 ish, for 2.7t £320 if you're lucky. Most of that extra money is soon lost in extra diesel for the digger but mainly in transport, especially if a one day job. Most of the time a customer thinks a 2 ton is awesome and is happy to pay for two days if thats what it takes. And the other times they say they want a three ton but when you turn up you piss it in half a day and they moan about paying full day. So f**k em.

I bought my E27 for quote work really.

As already said, the E10 will handle a 600 fine but make sure you have proper micro buckets! There's a thread on it here somewhere- many dealers just threw them out the door with 1.7t buckets which are far too heavy.

 

[craig]

Something that comes up with various makes of machine this and often puzzles me to a point, but define basic cab on a mini digger. Not having a go at you in any way i just don't know what people expect to find.

Leather heated and cooled seat, fitted carpet, six speaker surround stereo, a fridge to keep your butties cool, microwave to heat your pie up, and a coffee machine?

 

[pettsy]

Leather heated and cooled seat, fitted carpet, six speaker surround stereo, a fridge to keep your butties cool, microwave to heat your pie up, and a coffee machine?

Do they do autodig like autosteer for tractors?

 

[Gunners]

Leather heated and cooled seat, fitted carpet, six speaker surround stereo, a fridge to keep your butties cool, microwave to heat your pie up, and a coffee machine?

Actually, I find anything that I cant watch TV on the screen basic. The ability to watch TV in the machine is a basic human right on these prestigious tier 1 jobs

But seriously, I think its about the quality of finish. I'm not saying the Takuchi lacks any features in the cab compared to the others. I just find it a bit cheap, naff switchs, boxy plastics, the floor layout is poor. Compared to the competition, especially from Volvo and Wacker Neuson, I think its behind the curve.

 

[Storrsy]

Actually, I find anything that I cant watch TV on the screen basic. The ability to watch TV in the machine is a basic human right on these prestigious tier 1 jobs

But seriously, I think its about the quality of finish. I'm not saying the Takuchi lacks any features in the cab compared to the others. I just find it a bit cheap, naff switchs, boxy plastics, the floor layout is poor. Compared to the competition, especially from Volvo and Wacker Neuson, I think its behind the curve.

Actually, I find anything that I cant watch TV on the screen basic. The ability to watch TV in the machine is a basic human right on these prestigious tier 1 jobs

But seriously, I think its about the quality of finish. I'm not saying the Takuchi lacks any features in the cab compared to the others. I just find it a bit cheap, naff switchs, boxy plastics, the floor layout is poor. Compared to the competition, especially from Volvo and Wacker Neuson, I think its behind the curve.
[/QUOT]

Something that really bugs me about Takeuchi is why for goodness sakes they can’t stretch to a proper set of track pedals, instead they insert a naff little bar which probably costs about 20p. The TB216 doesn’t have pedals neither does the 225. I know pedals are not for everyone but I love them, particularly for ditching and spinning off a track etc.

 

[Smiffy]

I don't know if they are any better than Hitachi but they can't even manage to put proper track pedals in an 8t machine
I don't know if they are any better for others but im to tall and have to bigger feet to use them safely
Luckily there is a bracket in the cab to hold the bottom windscreen out the way so you can stick your feet out the cab

 

[craig]

Actually, I find anything that I cant watch TV on the screen basic. The ability to watch TV in the machine is a basic human right on these prestigious tier 1 jobs

Damm, I forgot about watching TV

On those 4 comparison photos, the TB225 does look a bit cluttered somehow

 

[GazCro]

I'll agree the 225 is a bit cluttered and tbh switches look an afterthought but the thing about the cab debate for me is so long as the seats comfy and the sticks are where you want them the most important thing about a digger for me is how it operates. Manufacturer's are getting drawn into fitting bigger screens and more settings cos seat warmers want to spend all day changing this and changing that. At the end of the day on mini/midi machines set throttle to how fast you want it and that's it. Couple of aux settings is handy, heater radio wiper decent lights and that's it.

 

[Furniss]

I'll agree the 225 is a bit cluttered and tbh switches look an afterthought but the thing about the cab debate for me is so long as the seats comfy and the sticks are where you want them the most important thing about a digger for me is how it operates. Manufacturer's are getting drawn into fitting bigger screens and more settings cos seat warmers want to spend all day changing this and changing that. At the end of the day on mini/midi machines set throttle to how fast you want it and that's it. Couple of aux settings is handy, heater radio wiper decent lights and that's it.

Agreed but I would add

Decent tracking pedals
Air con for midi machine
Somewhere handy for cup

 

[mart1602]

a decent cup holder is a must for any machine

 

[V8Druid]

a decent cup holder is a must for any machine

and needs to be 5' 6" , 22 and blonde

 

[doobin]

and needs to be 5' 6" , 22 and blonde

She's 24 this year. Maybe I'll chop her in along with the Hyundai...

 

[V8Druid]

She's 24 this year. Maybe I'll chop her in along with the Hyundai...

I won't tell Marianne ... if you don't tell Pam ....... re. the above

 

[Storrsy]

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