doobin
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10k plus vat.
Storrsy
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Bargain!
Vinpetrol
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I agree but a good used towing van at 7000kg is like hens teeth just nowYeah that's the trouble with bigger gear. But towable plant and vans etc- can't really see there's much benefit in buying used...
how old is your defender?
vans used to depreciate a lot more than plant, so used but tidy was the smart option. I think things will go back that way, this is just a blip due to shortages and free money.
Vinpetrol
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A colleague I’m working with us just bought a similar iveco . One thing I definitely don’t like is the serious lack of legroom .
Quattromike
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Or the awkward wheel arch blocking most of the door when you’re jumping in and out.
we had an Iveco dropside pickup a few years back, 3l hdi 180bhp. Pulled like a freight train but the thing was made of cheese and ket falling apart. Wing mirrors fell off, indicators stalk kept breaking , had to get a new gearbox on warranty. Have got rid and had a transit since.
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Smiffy
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Lot of money but this is on Facebook and has a 7t train weight
doobin
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It had been for sale for over two weeks so can’t have been that much of a steal. Just needed the right person to find it. Very clean and fair money if you wanted a truck that you know will last and be a spare tipper, spare 4wd and spare tow vehicle.
07 plate ranger toppers with 150k on the clock seem to be going for 7k so I’d rather have clean. Seems genuine, nice guy selling it who does large gardens and has bought a club cab tipper instead as he wants room for tools in back.
doobin
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I’m sure it was me shouting at you to just stick a new digger on finance not very long ago at all!
I’ve had eight machines brand new since 2016 so do appreciate where you’re coming from.New plant has always made sense- it makes money over and above your labour rates every day you use it- and most importantly doesn’t depreciate nearly as fast as vehicles. I just don’t do enough miles to justify new- a new truck for me would end up like this 61 plate ranger- less than half the price of a new one with just 50k on the clock. What a waste of money (to me at least)- I’ve had 50k out of my secondhand ranger for just £3k in repairs and servicing.
Depending upon how far from home you work, a new vehicle doesn’t always make financial sense compared to putting the money into a new machine. Historically (normally? Strange times currently!) they depreciate a lot faster. Obviously there are factors such as image to consider. My image is honest tradesman with decent tools rather than chancer with a financed L200 with all the trimmings and a hired mini from Travis. Of course, many companies servicing the London type markets need brand new vehicles and their customers do buy on image. But I’m not convinced for groundworks.
I’ve always found the ‘sweet spot’ with used vehicles a lot easier to obtain than with used plant personally. This Ranger will be my fourth work truck, alongside another two small vans. Some would say excessive, but you can’t beat having the right vehicle for the job even with only two of us and one part timer. If we each need a machine now I have three trucks and trailers available. Recently I could have really used two 4wds on jobs too.
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Smiffy
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Vinpetrol
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I am actually in your camp here Doob. I’ve never bought new but had a terrible time with van repair bills . Accountant tells me I get 130% allowance on it just now so it’s a bit of an experiment. My right hand man is sick of hearing me saying plant makes the money vans don’t earn anythingI’m sure it was me shouting at you to just stick a new digger on finance not very long ago at all!
New plant has always made sense- it makes money over and above your labour rates every day you use it- and most importantly doesn’t depreciate nearly as fast as vehicles. I just don’t do enough miles to justify new- a new truck for me would end up like this 61 plate ranger- less than half the price of a new one with just 50k on the clock. What a waste of money (to me at least)- I’ve had 50k out of my secondhand ranger for just £3k in repairs and servicing.
Depending upon how far from home you work, a new vehicle doesn’t always make financial sense compared to putting the money into a new machine. Historically (normally? Strange times currently!) they depreciate a lot faster. Obviously there are factors such as image to consider. My image is honest tradesman with decent tools rather than chancer with a financed L200 with all the trimmings and a hired mini from Travis. Of course, many companies servicing the London type markets need brand new vehicles and their customers do buy on image. But I’m not convinced for groundworks.
I’ve always found the ‘sweet spot’ with used vehicles a lot easier to obtain than with used plant personally. This Ranger will be my fourth work truck, alongside another two small vans. Some would say excessive, but you can’t beat having the right vehicle for the job even with only two of us and one part timer. If we each need a machine now I have three trucks and trailers available. Recently I could have really used two 4wds on jobs too.
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fred
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I’m just about to put a deposit down on this new van . Any one got a newish one they can give thoughts on before I bite the bullet ? I’ve never bought any van or plant brand new yet and it makes me nervous
got similar one (same engine more HP) from new. 6 years old now and only work has been tyres. Only regret is the auto box, would rather have had a manual so could have had pto for the hiab and tipper but its what they had in stock at the time.
Service and warranty (they come with 5 year free servicing) is done at the same place they do the trucks and operate 24x7 which is handy.
Iveco are the only van that has a proper ladder truck chassis, well solid.
TiltyShaun
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All interesting comments with various ways of going about your business.
As my work life and family balance makes my income not the main earner I am firmly in the secondhand market.
Towing the digger for me changed my ability to be more flexible and my old Iveco does a fab job. If I could get the 4x4 version that would be fab. There are several times that I use the old Disco for towing into and out of sites that are tight for the van. But even with the 4 x 4 the old disco still serves a purpose on the farm. So spending a fortune on the new van and suffering worse fuel economy by having the 4 x 4 version can wait!!
Horses for courses they say….so I like having various horses, however old they are.
As my work life and family balance makes my income not the main earner I am firmly in the secondhand market.
Towing the digger for me changed my ability to be more flexible and my old Iveco does a fab job. If I could get the 4x4 version that would be fab. There are several times that I use the old Disco for towing into and out of sites that are tight for the van. But even with the 4 x 4 the old disco still serves a purpose on the farm. So spending a fortune on the new van and suffering worse fuel economy by having the 4 x 4 version can wait!!
Horses for courses they say….so I like having various horses, however old they are.
pettsy
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Can’t beat having your own slightly older paid for horses too just incase the merry go round stops. Not knocking anyone with finance btw, especially if you’re smart with it and it works for you!
Furniss
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Imho ideal is some older kit paid for that you can fall back on and still do the job with if nipped up and alongside some new stuff that your buying and helping tax wise etc
Best advice I could give someone from my experience, which is contrary to the advise I was given is, as soon as you have a good client base and established a relationship with a lender is to get buying nice kit and stick at it .... you get the use of it - it helps with tax - and its effectively saving for the future.
Best advice I could give someone from my experience, which is contrary to the advise I was given is, as soon as you have a good client base and established a relationship with a lender is to get buying nice kit and stick at it .... you get the use of it - it helps with tax - and its effectively saving for the future.
GazCro
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The only thing with buying older plant machinery is to a lot of peope/businesses plant is just a tool to get a job done. The amount of stuff which has been bodged or half arsed repaired or worked around instead of done right can be surprising. At least if you buy new no matter how many years you run it for you know the history.
Furniss
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You have to buy wisely but lads starting out like myself from nowt and not following on like 2nd generation in a business cant just go out and buy new kit straight off the bat
GazCro
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True no doubt about it, but buying wisely isn't easy it's the stuff you can't see that's hidden that can be the problems. Nowt worse than chasing wiring faults that folk have added extra wires in to get round and cut all the connectors off and replaced them for no apparent reason etc.You have to buy wisely but lads starting out like myself from nowt and not following on like 2nd generation in a business cant just go out and buy new kit straight off the bat
Furniss
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Agreed ..... In the beginning I was lucky I bought from a mate who has a plant hire business that I trusted more or less ......not like eBay type lucky dip.
V8Druid
do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
too right .... been there more than a few times on cranes ........ When i bought my Rapier it had no dash .... kids'd pulverised it and had to build and re-wire it all ... took a while to trace all the tails
doobin
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sounds good. I do like my Iveco. Are they still offering a five year warranty even in these times of peak demand?
If they’d do five years finance that might swing me!
True that. It’s amazing when you look at what you’ve bought over the years and got up what it’s worth. Money in the bank.
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