Stolen plant list

[Antony Holmes]

Morning all
we all see some stolen plant on our face book and forums with please shear so we do i am not shore if any of it gets found as you dont seem to hear that bit.
would it not be possible for a face book page or web site or an app be setup where we all could list our stolen plant along with video/pictures of getaway trucks or vans ect every where you go now you are on camera.
if it was a national data base you would soon see patterns evolve.

lists could be in theory be up dated by

1. The person who had the plant stolen
2. the police
3. the insurance company's
4. other user's

it could work some thing like
the person that has had the plant stolon would log on with details and some photos this would get pinged out to all with the app or what ever it ends up being
the police and insurance may be could up date us and use the info to find plant
the other users could up date it to tell police where it was last seen ect
also the other user's could check against the list when buying plant

we have all been offered over the years that looked doggy

as a side effect if you were going to lift a digger that did not belong to you maybe you would think twice if every other plant owner/operator was looking out for it.
this is just an idea and way beyond my skill set to set up at the end of the day i am "just a digger driver" but it cant be beyond the wit of man

 

[mart1602]

only problem i can see with this police dont give a s**t

 

[Hydremaduck]

Apathy I think is the word I'm looking for or complacency? . With the belief it will never happen to us and the knowledge that be it a big dozer, 30t exc or a mini digger, plod thinks its a JCB, hasn't got a clue what to look for and to top it all the bloody things just vanish into thin air we know were on a hiding to nothing.
Several registration schemes out there already along with many different types of tracker and immobilizer but no readily accessible instant access database.
It frustrates me to see kit posted by TER (probably biggest database in UK,) 24, 48 and even 72hrs after its gone missing. Far too late, its in a container or halfway across Europe by then.

 

[Antony Holmes]

Apathy I think is the word I'm looking for or complacency? . With the belief it will never happen to us and the knowledge that be it a big dozer, 30t exc or a mini digger, plod thinks its a JCB, hasn't got a clue what to look for and to top it all the bloody things just vanish into thin air we know were on a hiding to nothing.
Several registration schemes out there already along with many different types of tracker and immobilizer but no readily accessible instant access database.
It frustrates me to see kit posted by TER (probably biggest database in UK,) 24, 48 and even 72hrs after its gone missing. Far too late, its in a container or halfway across Europe by then.

the problem with all of the scheme's you talk about you don't have people power behind them and most of the people working with then would not know a D6 from a komatsu 61p.
lets not kid ourselves the police don't have the time or the knowledge to deal with most plant theft.
the insurance company's want us all to insure our kit and if we think it may get stolen we are more likely to insure it
the dealers sell more kit if some of it is stolen
the big plant firms just pass the cost down the chain to the customer and insist on hired in insurance
so the big losers in all of this is are the smaller plant hire and ground works people like us

A d6 just dose not vanish you need a low loader a yard to put it a customer for it some one to sell parts for it we all know shady operators that will put it to work
I dont have all the answers but if we dont do any thing to help our selves whats the point of putting blame for this at some one else's door

 

[Hydremaduck]

the problem with all of the scheme's you talk about you don't have people power behind them and most of the people working with then would not know a D6 from a komatsu 61p.
lets not kid ourselves the police don't have the time or the knowledge to deal with most plant theft.

I'm not quite sure where your going with this

I agree with you, there is no readily available database for Joe Bloggs to access BUT setting one up and managing it is well beyond my capabilities (or desire to be honest) if indeed that is what's needed?
Personally I'd go for covering the thieving bastards in petrol and setting fire to them. Similar to a few shotgun cartridges in backside seems to focus folks attention on where not to wander uninvited but for some reason both options are frowned on, generally by folk who have never had their livelihoods pinched by a lowlife scrote![/QUOTE]

 

[Antony Holmes]

I'm not quite sure where your going with this

I agree with you, there is no readily available database for Joe Bloggs to access BUT setting one up and managing it is well beyond my capabilities (or desire to be honest) if indeed that is what's needed?
Personally I'd go for covering the thieving bastards in petrol and setting fire to them. Similar to a few shotgun cartridges in backside seems to focus folks attention on where not to wander uninvited but for some reason both options are frowned on, generally by folk who have never had their livelihoods pinched by a lowlife scrote!

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I am not sure where this could go ether. i struggle with face book so way above my pay grade. I just put it out there as a topic for discussion
after all to some of us it is not just that easy to replace what we have spent time getting plant the way we want it.
i am thinking of the stress in my case finding a replacement digger the rototilt getting it fitted what a load of hassle.

 

[Hydremaduck]

i am thinking of the stress in my case finding a replacement digger the rototilt getting it fitted what a load of hassle.

Without making it public knowledge you have to proactively make your kit the least likely pick. Be under no illusion, if they want it, they'll have it.
By thinking about where and how you leave it, lighting, access, additional security, etc, etc you can hopefully tip the odds slightly in your favour.
Many folk think, middle of the night is worst / most likely time for plant theft so they leave "it" where someone will hear it being started or moved, when in actual fact early evening and early morning are the most dangerous time.
Someone rucks up 15mins after you've left moaning about traffic, lack of phone signal, bla, bla, bla, and that home owner takes the bullshit and helps them load it rather than activating the alarm bell and checking with you that it is to be collected or 45mins before you due in morning because machine is being "swapped" and again nobody bats an eyelid.

 

[Agridave]

would something like the arbsafe work

 

[Gunners]

Isn't this what the theft equipment register is for?
Its a database, checked by police (supposedly) and they put out social media posts notifying the theft. Its free to join if you have under 5 machines, they sent me some stickers and its been really easy to do. Follow them on social media and you will hear about thefts. Not very positive for your news feed but at least you can tell when these bastards might be in your area.
The other thing I'd reccomend is making sure your CEASR datatag is actually registered to you and not the manufacturer. You might think this is done by the dealer and it should be but both mine wernt. It all helps fight it at the end of the day.

https://www.ter-europe.org/

 

[Agridave]

google AutomatricsMtrack videos on youtube they seem to recover a bit of equipment

 

[Antony Holmes]

Hi had a quick look at the theft equipment register it seems ok for the honest ones amongst us as far as i can see if you are offered a piece of plant with a sticker on it give them a call and they will tell you if it is stolen, that is all well and good but.
only 2 items of stolen plant on the face book page with 3 shares.
i have that on my news feed on face book and i am just an owner operator.
i do take your point on the data tag and it is some thing i should do.

 

[Regy53]

As a used equipment dealer here’s my experience
The biggest issue out there that I know is the cloaning of machines. They take a serial number from a good honest machine (say in a dealers yard when they advertise with the serial plate) and copy it with a fair copy of a plate (dirty it up) Thus rendering most daily checks that people do useless(we generally will not advertise a serial plate)
Yes there are serial numbers stamped into the chassis but nobody checks. Volvos are good at this because they generally put the serial number stamp next to the plate
The equipment register is the best hope we have but it’s not perfect and is only as good as information provided to it. I don’t think every theft is registered with them as it’s just not known about by all. We provide a certificate to customers if they request it. The biggest thing we have is buying from sources we know I.e people we know and trust.
The above paragraph is personal to my business but plant theft is a sad story of our game, trackers are next to useless as they remove them so quickly now your best slowing them down with any trick you know. A customer had his new bw120 roller we supplied two years ago stolen two weeks ago, they tracked it for 30 mins and then it was ripped out in a lay-by. He had to buy new again the next day.
Obviously a lot of stolen machines would leave the country if you listen to story’s these are highly organised gangs who target plant.
Not sure if you all know but I do a lot of work with Lynch Plant and A few years ago had a call from a guy (ukbased) who was buying a Volvo 220 from across the waters (EU) doing his due diligence with Volvo he checked the previous keeper which was Lynch. That machine was sat in a dealers yard in the UK, somebody abroad had cloaned the serial plate from his advert.

 

[mart1602]

nearly new rototilt and bucket stolen of a machine in st clears wales in the last day or 2 looks like 5-8 ton tak if anyone gets offered one beware

 

[mart1602]

got it wrong,hill tefra power tilt and whites bucket

 

[Komatsu]

Not sure if this is the right place to post it, but saw this the other evening at a petrol station, first one I’ve seen with the idea of making the steering wheel and ignition harder to get to.

 

[Regy53]

We also used to have something that would go across the steering ram so it couldn't turn

As i say anything to slow them down is the best bet, locks, immobilisation both hydraulic and electrical etc

 

[tinydigger]

Not sure if this is the right place to post it, but saw this the other evening at a petrol station, first one I’ve seen with the idea of making the steering wheel and ignition harder to get to.View attachment 653

might be a customers own thing komatsu or possibly something that the local depot has come up with as we bot got them down this way yet although may put it forward as is a good idea

 

[Hydremaduck]

Our good friend Trax was all for diy covert immobilization of plant. Be it a T in a hydraulic line or an inline covert fuse that could be pulled. The problem he admitted to me was, when you have a turn over of staff, you have to be careful not to let "all" your little secrets be known by some who it could benefit in the future.

The best we can do is try and make it difficult enough that they decide someone else kit is an easier target

 

[Smiffy]

Our good friend Trax was all for diy covert immobilization of plant. Be it a T in a hydraulic line or an inline covert fuse that could be pulled. The problem he admitted to me was, when you have a turn over of staff, you have to be careful not to let "all" your little secrets be known by some who it could benefit in the future.

The best we can do is try and make it difficult enough that they decide someone else kit is an easier target

I always think a reed swith clued to the back of a panel would be a good one and just a magnet left in the ashtray
Would take a lot of searching to find being completely hidden

 

[Hydremaduck]

Have encountered a cigarette lighter that requires an item to be "plugged in" shall we say.