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V8Druid

V8Druid

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It comes back to what I said about doing away with cash. If it is my money I want to spend it how I want. If I want another pint or an extra pie I don't want Big Brother stopping me to save the NHS or for my own good.
yet a.n.other attempt to stamp out the cash economy :rolleyes::mad:
 
TiltyShaun

TiltyShaun

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The undertakers video.

I sat and watched the video with my wife as I wanted to hear her take on what he had to say and whilst he is talking about his experience on what he has said happened there is some science behind some of it!!! I will put some comments on the timelines.
November 2019 - we are convinced the outbreak was doing the rounds here in that December so no surprise to us!!
March 2020 - nursing home deaths - clearly COVID does exist - it didn’t start in the care homes that is where the first wave ended!! The fact is it started earlier, as above, then ended up with the most vulnerable and in wave 1 the treatment was not understood.
The virus does not survive on a dead body. So no big surprise that the funeral director and embalmer have not caught it. Even if they did, they might not have had any symptoms as a dead person doesn’t breath a viral load.
It went quite in 2020 as the earlier death peak was basically the underlying ‘likely to die’. No offence intended to anyone who has lost a loved one. This is just a background to our take on the events of what has happened.
January2021. We are now in the new flu season and coincide this with rolling out the vaccine , firstly to the most vulnerable, so is it any surprise that they are now starting to keel over again again.
Now this is where it starts to get interesting!!
The vaccine roll it is sold as being our way out of this pandemic. It will stop the spread and stop you getting it. Not the wording they use now!!! The line now is it will stop you ending up in hospital and dying!!! The vaccine is not Delta, Delta is simply the way the virus mutated to counter the effect of the vaccine. Will cover that in a moment. What the undertaker is now seeing is a result of the vaccine not necessary the cause of the vaccine. Most people who die are over 60. Most people over 60 are vaccinated. Something like 95% or more. I haven’t looked at the numbers for MK but my guess is it will be higher than the country average. Should he really be surprised that all his clients are vaccinated whatever the cause of death? It doesn’t mean the vaccine is not a contributing factor, that is another issue!!
So lets look at the vaccine. Without any doubt this is causing side effects. The biggest seems to be the bleeds and clots. We seem to have now got on top of that through medical awareness. Most of the previous deaths due to clots could have been prevented through simple awareness which is now understood. Headaches after your vaccine, take medical advice.
The interesting part is what is now happening with the vaccine roll out and in particular vaccine passport developments.
The vaccine is not stopping you getting COVID. What it is doing is turning the people that are vaccinated that get breakthrough COVID into super spreaders. This is an anti body dependant enhancement that is known in medical research which occurs in all previous corona virus vaccines. Hence why these vaccines have not previously been rolled out. The next problem will be the Hoskins effect for those that are vaccinated. There immune system will be trapped by the vaccine to produce the original anti bodies and not be able to mount an effective response to new variants.
So why is the COVID passport being rolled out. We are now stuck in a loop. The vaccinated have become super spreaders which will start chucking out new variants. The vaccinated struggle to fight new variants, the unvaccinated can still transmit any variant to the vaccinated, all though they are in very low numbers. The government seem to head down the road of wanting everyone vaccinated as it does currently look that they are not filling up the hospitals. Isolating the non vaccinated is on the cards until further vaccine developments or the virus dies off naturally.
So basically, we are still all forked!!
 
V8Druid

V8Druid

do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
" Vaccines reduce the likelihood of someone becoming infected, and, therefore, vaccine certification reduces the risk of onward transmission if an infected person does enter a venue. Vaccination also reduces the chances of someone who is infected being hospitalised or dying."

Really .... since when ??? ....... :unsure::rolleyes:
all it does is in the final sentence ... and that is all
 
Gecko

Gecko

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Really .... since when ??? ....... :unsure::rolleyes:
all it does is in the final sentence ... and that is all
My understanding is that is a fair (if vague) summery.

Someone who is both vaccinated and infected, carries a smaller viral load plus less symptoms (coughing, sneezing etc.), so will (should) pass it on to fewer.

Not so sure about "vaccine certification reduces the risk of onward transmission"
I didn't know the virus could read! I thought it was the vaccine, not the certificate that makes the difference.
 
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Gecko

Gecko

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Someone who is both vaccinated and infected, carries a smaller viral load plus less symptoms (coughing, sneezing etc.),
Some more reading shows the above statement applies to the earlier, but not the delta variant.

Fully vaccinated people with Delta variant breakthrough infections can spread the virus to others. However, vaccinated people appear to spread the virus for a shorter time ~
For people infected with the Delta variant, similar amounts of viral genetic material have been found among both unvaccinated and fully vaccinated people. However, like prior variants, the amount of viral genetic material may go down faster in fully vaccinated people when compared to unvaccinated people. This means fully vaccinated people will likely spread the virus for less time than unvaccinated people.

Complicating the quote above is that it came from the CDC, so will only be valid for US FDA approved vaccines. To date, A-Z has not been approved in the US, so the statement may or may not apply to A-Z as well.
 
TiltyShaun

TiltyShaun

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It is all a mess. Crowds of 9999 but not
10001. So not only does the virus read the certificates it can count as well!!
It looks more like draconian control rather than disease control.
 
V8Druid

V8Druid

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Gecko

Gecko

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What a load of crap.
Berejiklian's resignation is due to an accusation of corruption.
Grants to sports clubs seem to have been unnaturally biased toward those Berejiklian's boyfriend is associated with.
It's not nothing to do with vaccines.

 
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