agricultural demand from farmers: how to eliminate weeds such as ailanthus reeds, robinia, castor and others.

barracane

barracane

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agricultural question from farmers: how to get rid of weeds such as ailanthus, locust, castor and others.
guys sorry if I open the discussion, but every year the same job. I find myself fighting with ailanthus and other weeds. there is no way to eliminate them. What to do?
 
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Nick...

Nick...

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Get some proper roundup or any of the derivatives from a farmer or get a farmer to spray it for you.the garden centre versions are crap in comparison.
nick...
 
V8Druid

V8Druid

do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
yep .... 's the mutt's nuts ...... just make sure it goes where you want it and not where you don't as Charlie says above ...... lawns deffo do not like it :ROFLMAO:
 
Nick...

Nick...

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What monkey said above. Buy it in 25L drums from agricultural suppliers or it'll cost you a fortune. Please note, do NOT walk across your front lawn after using it. :ROFLMAO:
I’d imagine you need to be a registered farmer with all the official bullshit certificates and paperwork to buy it.I’m a farmer but not got pa1/2 and other qualifications so I can not legally buy it.if I need it,chemical is reccomended by our agronomist and then delivered to our contractor who then applies it.I know there are ways round it but it’s ok till something goes wrong
nick...
 
V8Druid

V8Druid

do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
I’d imagine you need to be a registered farmer with all the official bullshit certificates and paperwork to buy it.I’m a farmer but not got pa1/2 and other qualifications so I can not legally buy it.if I need it,chemical is reccomended by our agronomist and then delivered to our contractor who then applies it.I know there are ways round it but it’s ok till something goes wrong
nick...
amazingly our local farm supplies place sold me 5lt cans of Glyphosate, no prob.s, when I went in and asked for it. Does the job on the weeds a treat. It's my mate Simon's game and he told me what to get .... no Q.s or queries at all from the suppliers. I'm pretty careful handling/mixing/etc. and apply it carefully.
 
Nick...

Nick...

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amazingly our local farm supplies place sold me 5lt cans of Glyphosate, no prob.s, when I went in and asked for it. Does the job on the weeds a treat. It's my mate Simon's game and he told me what to get .... no Q.s or queries at all from the suppliers. I'm pretty careful handling/mixing/etc. and apply it carefully.
youre very lucky.the regs we get are just ridiculous
nick...
 
barracane

barracane

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il prodotto che hai citato che ho usato per eliminare le canne in piccole quantità è mortale, gli uccelli sono morti e un gatto è andato ad annusare le carcasse. immagina che ho messo lentamente un piccone e una zappa per rimuovere le radici, i polloni e i ceppi, mi sono rotto la schiena, una foresta si è formata da una radice. ogni anno la stessa storia, ho fatto un fascio di rami, radici, ramoscelli e vegetazione alto come una collina, non va bene nemmeno per il camino. meccanicamente con mezzi meccanici credo sia peggio lavorare il terreno, avevano suggerito miniescavatori e un setaccio per separare terra, pietre e radici, ma mi costa una fortuna. sono punto e testa. grazie per il prezioso consiglio. , lungo la scarpata si è formato anche un boschetto che sostiene la strada sovrastante, ma non posso tagliarli perché le radici mantengono stabile la scarpata ed evitano cedimenti, smottamenti e smottamenti. altrimenti dovrei realizzare opere di contenimento, muri e gabbie piene di sassi. ??
eliminazione i sistemi ailanto
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Charlie

Charlie

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Something else is going on then or you were not supplied the product you thought you were. Glyphosate is one of the most widely used herbicides due to the the low toxicity of glyphosate. In plants, glyphosate disrupts the shikimic acid pathway and as humans, other mammals and birds don't have a shikimic acid pathway it is relatively safe to handle. It has an oral LD50 in rats of greater than 4320mg / kg which is higher than sodium chloride (salt for you northerners) which is 3000mg / kg and paracetamol at 1944mg / kg.

If birds are dropping dead, your are not spraying Glyphosate or, if you are, there are other actions / toxins at work.

edit: forgot to add that there is conflicting evidence on glyphosate being a carcinogenic in humans and hence more toxic in long term effects than first thought, but either way this would not affect the LD50 and it's immediate toxicity to a bird.
 
barracane

barracane

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when I sprayed it, the seller told me to cut the canes and plants about 30cm above the ground and wait for them to reject the sprouts. after I sprayed it, there was a strong smell and I had a headache, the area was contaminated and the birds and cats who wanted to eat it died. I would not want to poison and contaminate the ground.

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Charlie

Charlie

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Glyphosate has little to no smell especially when diluted to a working concentration and would not cause a headache.
 
M

Monkeybusiness

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I’m not sure what chemical you used but it certainly wasn’t Glyphosate. Whatever it was would not be available for sale in the UK - it sounds terrible!
Seriously, get hold of Glyphosate and spray it on any vegetation you want to get rid of. It is systemic - the chemical is carried throughout the plant and destroys all the cells it reaches so you are best to leave the treated vegetation to die off for as long as possible before subsequently clearing the ground. It works it’s way through the root systems and is effective against the suckering plants you are struggling with that vigorously rejuvenate from the roots once cut. Treat any regrowth with the same chemical.
It is odourless and quickly becomes inert once in contact with the soil so doesn’t poison the ground.
It is actually used to ‘ripen’ cereal crops before harvest - humans are eating it unknowingly all of the time (which is not something I like the thought of at all, but gives an indication as to how safe it is).
 
barracane

barracane

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grazie farò tesoro delle tue preziose parole. Grazie ancora
 
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