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[fred]

the problem with jcb is shocking build quality. Hired in a 18 month old jcb telehandler last summer and when it rained the cab floor filled with water. Not enough guts unless you revved the bollox out of it to boom up and in at same time.

If they were a lot cheaper then the low quality of them wouldn't matter so much but when they want Manitou prices for Chinese quality ill leave it.

 

[TiltyShaun]

the problem with jcb is shocking build quality. Hired in a 18 month old jcb telehandler last summer and when it rained the cab floor filled with water. Not enough guts unless you revved the bollox out of it to boom up and in at same time.

If they were a lot cheaper then the low quality of them wouldn't matter so much but when they want Manitou prices for Chinese quality ill leave it.

I had a go in a brand spanking new jcb telehandler last week. Can’t say I was impressed. Seems to have gone electric switch on some of the functions, visibility like most telehandlers was s**t, they seem to be on an over size chassis. Give me a manitou 1030s any day!!

 

[doobin]

the problem with jcb is shocking build quality. Hired in a 18 month old jcb telehandler last summer and when it rained the cab floor filled with water. Not enough guts unless you revved the bollox out of it to boom up and in at same time.

If they were a lot cheaper then the low quality of them wouldn't matter so much but when they want Manitou prices for Chinese quality ill leave it.

Construction spec ones tend to have f**k all horsepower to meet emmissions regs.

 

[Vinpetrol]

I've had enough land rovers, rangies, discos, SD1s and numerous other British vehicles in the last 46 years and taken hundreds of them apart, to make informed comment IMHDO.
A lot of them could have been great, but for corner cutting, skimping and lack of 'interest' in their market.
WTF puts body panels together in primer - LR....
WTF sandwiches ali and steel together with no consideration to cathodic action - LR.
WTF takes anything out the parts bin that'll fit, 'cos it's more convenient than making a better item - LR .......
need I go on.???
LRs were always known for their unreliability, fragility (in certain aspects), poor assembly, RUST problems, the list is endless.

yes JakieB is a great old tool ...... on which their reputation was founded along with the old 8 series, etc., that James and many others (me included) has respect for ... pity they didn't carry on as they once did ... building a quality solid product ... that the paint stayed on for 34 years ..... 34 weeks seems to be an achievement these days, from consensus

like so much made in the UK the phrase 'could've been great, but for....' .....fits and .........."if the cap fits ...... "

yes I still have two of LR's products ...... dunno WTF to replace 'em with ....

As for Mr Thwaites 6 tonner ..... Awesome tool ... the alligator is 50 years old and 'd probably start tomorrow if I went out and swung it over, once bled and fettled
British manufacturing just lost its way and its hunger to produce quality, world leading products - it settled for a mediocre, that'll do/pass muster, attitude.

You and your 8026 have impressed me, as has James' tool too (be nice to see more of James's) .... but how're they gonna look in 20/30/40/50 years time?
as good as their predecessors?

And the Druid’s got the gloves on !
sounds like your both in broad agreement. Have we gone to far from it now to become good at manufacturing again ? We certainly have the knowledge base .
Id love to see British built stuff that I’d be proud to buy .
When I’m looking for small tools etc more recently I’ve noted that subconsciously I’m looking more favorably at British kit

 

[GazCro]

Problem that British manufacturing had and probably still does is the "that'll do attitude". It's that little bit extra that could or can make all the difference. Like many people older have said to me on many occasions about the car industry the japs didn't really innovate they just copied what we were doing and made it work. And that's the thing it was just that little extra effort that made the difference.

 

[Smiffy]

the problem with jcb is shocking build quality. Hired in a 18 month old jcb telehandler last summer and when it rained the cab floor filled with water. Not enough guts unless you revved the bollox out of it to boom up and in at same time.

If they were a lot cheaper then the low quality of them wouldn't matter so much but when they want Manitou prices for Chinese quality ill leave it.

To be fair all telehandlers seem to let water in from new
And construction ones are gutless on purpose
The agri spec machines are lovely to drive though
Yes there are a few issues with build
But like everything JCB I have driven, they an operators machine rather than an owner's machine.
I cannot understand why you get all the supposed operators bitching about them on Facebook as nothing I have driven from JCB has been unpleasant and definitely nothing I would quite a job over being asked to sit in for a day
Even the little 8014 hire machines are smooth and powerful for what they are

 

[V8Druid]

Problem that British manufacturing had and probably still does is the "that'll do attitude". It's that little bit extra that could or can make all the difference. Like many people older have said to me on many occasions about the car industry the japs didn't really innovate they just copied what we were doing and made it work. And that's the thing it was just that little extra effort that made the difference.

exactly ..... and as soon as there was better available, everyone took it and left the 'that'll do'-ers floundering in their wakes. ....... they then went on to develop and improve beyond expectations at the time, to develop a new 'norm' for expectations and create a market level that was virtually unassailable

 

[Brendan]

To be fair all telehandlers seem to let water in from new
And construction ones are gutless on purpose
The agri spec machines are lovely to drive though
Yes there are a few issues with build
But like everything JCB I have driven, they an operators machine rather than an owner's machine.
I cannot understand why you get all the supposed operators bitching about them on Facebook as nothing I have driven from JCB has been unpleasant and definitely nothing I would quite a job over being asked to sit in for a day
Even the little 8014 hire machines are smooth and powerful for what they are

prefer the 5t jcb over the kubota version. jcb seemed far more sorted and nicer throughout

 

[Furniss]

We keep going over the same ground with this, personally I think that when it comes to mini diggers (which is all i know) JCB build some great products let down by détails...... whether or not you think these details spoil them enough to make you look elsewhere seems to be the deciding factor in purchasing.
I recently asked a guy I buy a fair bit of plant from if he had any JCB minis coming up and his reply was that they bought 4 last year and sold them after 6months and wont be buying any more any time soon,he said " great machine let down by quality issues like handles, little oil leaks etc " nothing serious but he said in his opinion the quality just isnt there like in a Kubota, which is what they run now.
Personally as an owner op it wouldn't discourage me from looking at them again, Im prepared to overlook little niggles (ive had plenty with my kubotas) if the machine performs well and is good to operate, but my mate doesnt care if they are as good to drive or not,he just doesn't want his fitters fooking about unnecessarily.
I hope JCB listen and have the ability to sort out the little things , I used to feel proud running all JCB out here in France but have ended up all Japanese

Anyhow thats it ..... never going to mention JCB again in regard to quality, good or otherwise ........unless my next machine happens to be one

 

[V8Druid]

....... let down by détails...... ........wont be buying any more any time soon,he said " great machine let down by quality issues .......,he just doesn't want his fitters fooking about unnecessarily.
I hope JCB listen and have the ability to sort out the little things ,.......

QED ..... it'll do attitude ...... the demise of many British industries ......... and that's what pees me off ... for that little bit extra, the mediocre ethos could be shaken off and a proper job done.

nothing ever went out of my place I wasn't happy with and there was no ... it'll do ... if it took another hour, so be it, our reputation kept us in work.

 

[Furniss]

I would hardly call JCB a company in demise

 

[Brendan]

Think the that'll do mentality is worldwide, just some places spend a bit longer on final quality control.
For instance my htd5 has been great but the only breakdown (leak) has been due to either a lapse of concentration or bad design, due to the pipe from track motor rubbing against the edge of the frame. An issue that would have never appeared if the pipe had been clocked as little as a few degrees away from the edge of the metal frame.

The bobcat/doosan on the other hand is let down by piss poor finishing work and general togetherness and some some stupid design choices for grease nipples

QED ..... it'll do attitude ...... the demise of many British industries ......... and that's what pees me off ... for that little bit extra, the mediocre ethos could be shaken off and a proper job done.

nothing ever went out of my place I wasn't happy with and there was no ... it'll do ... if it took another hour, so be it, our reputation kept us in work.

 

[V8Druid]

I would hardly call JCB a company in demise

the demise of many British industries .... given time I am sure we could all compile a list

 

[Brendan]

To be fair the takeuchi micro I had also had some poor design choices namely being crap like if you want to get at the hydraulic tank or simply remove the roll bar you have to take the complete counterweight off as they don't use separate bolts, which also requires removing the engine hood as that's also bolted to the counterweight or that part of the roll bar blocks off access to some of the bolts for the hood . So what should be a simple off and in job turns into a few hour affair

 

[Furniss]

To be fair the takeuchi micro I had also had some poor design choices namely being crap like if you want to get at the hydraulic tank or simply remove the roll bar you have to take the complete counterweight off as they don't use separate bolts, which also requires removing the engine hood as that's also bolted to the counterweight or that part of the roll bar blocks off access to some of the bolts for the hood . So what should be a simple off and in job turns into a few hour affair

Its done for a reason.... they know that a machine without a roll bar is dangerous..... must be that cos its a Takeuchi

 

[Brendan]

Its done for a reason.... they know that a machine without a roll bar is dangerous..... must be that cos its a Takeuchi

Doesn't stop anyone using shorter bolts .
Mine always stayed on but if you needed to make the machine 20mm or so narrower it was your only choice

 

[Furniss]

Eyup Graham .... your chance to make a difference

 

[Lancs Lad]

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Looking at it open mindedly that's gotta be good for this country...paint aside.

 

[JD450A]

Who called for Graham.....

 

[Lancs Lad]

Good luck getting stuff in the southwest atm...just had notification that The pallet network have suspended all shipments to Devon and Cornwall...never seen anything like it. Depots rammed full.