River dredging

[TiltyShaun]

Great house, really good view of the river. Exceptional view once every 10 years!

Unfortunately it is a nice house with a view that has now been in the river twice in 5 years!!
Interestingly she blames the lack of river dredging. I blame stupidity!!! It is still the case of buyer beware.
As for building in the flood plain. You hopefully push the problem somewhere else or later down the line you find the designers where not quite right with the design or calculations!!

 

[Giles]

Problem Is these local warriors who you all champion don’t look at the bigger picture and a slight alteration to a river etc can have a major effect on 10 miles downstream where now a major town/city might flood vs few farms or houses Built on historic flood plains.
Hence why we have experts like ea to do the bigger picture thinking over wise it’s just moving problem down stream and creating artificial canalised waterways that aren’t natural.

we have an obsession with tidy up the countryside and making it look how we believe it should were as most the research is pointing to allowing nature to do its own thing for better result in conservation bio diversity and a world our children and grandchildren can enjoy asit should be.

I’m no lefty yoghurt knitter and we own 1.5miles of river on the goyt and have been told off a few times by the ea for stuff weve done. But there is more at play here than just clearing a load of trees and gravel habitats etc

 

[JD450A]

The issue is dredging either needs to be all or nothing. The Do a little bit approach fucks things down stream as Giles says.

I Don't agree that it should be left. We Ditch in 3 SSSI Nature reserves for the reason that nature will reclaim the land and alter the rivers course if left. That is a basic bit of geography..... Flood Plains and River Meandering will cut a new river path in lower sections....

Issue is that cities have often been built on these meandering sections, And so the river being constrained silts, which is often dredged in these lower sections.

Trouble is they should be holding it on the moorland and encouraging it to f**k off everywhere else.....

And Sea level rises aren't helping.

 

[GazCro]

Problem Is these local warriors who you all champion don’t look at the bigger picture and a slight alteration to a river etc can have a major effect on 10 miles downstream where now a major town/city might flood vs few farms or houses Built on historic flood plains.
Hence why we have experts like ea to do the bigger picture thinking over wise it’s just moving problem down stream and creating artificial canalised waterways that aren’t natural.

we have an obsession with tidy up the countryside and making it look how we believe it should were as most the research is pointing to allowing nature to do its own thing for better result in conservation bio diversity and a world our children and grandchildren can enjoy asit should be.

I’m no lefty yoghurt knitter and we own 1.5miles of river on the goyt and have been told off a few times by the ea for stuff weve done. But there is more at play here than just clearing a load of trees and gravel habitats etc

I'll take offence at the local warrior bit here to some extent in the case of the flooding near me where are the ea clipboards when it's raining. You guessed it nowhere to be seen and thats part of the problem. They rely on computer modelling rather than getting out there and actually seeing wtf is actually happening. The in the case of keswick turn up spend 7 million on flood defences and flood more houses. They were told this would be the case but wouldn't listen. Their reason for it happening was a 1 in 100 year rainfall every (which ironically was 1 in 75 at the previous flood and 1 in 50 before that one). You can't dispute the rainfall figures easily as between the last two floods (building the flood defences) they moved the location of the rain guage further up the valley. Now i may be cynical but i thing this was done on purpose.
Re letting nature do it's own thing, probably need to go back 500 years since that was last allowed to happen so i don't see how anybody knows what the result will be. In many cases what the ea preach about and say now can't be done in rivers isn't what farmers and landowners have done in the past but the ea when they were the nra.

 

[Grahams]

They rely on computer modelling rather than getting out there and actually seeing wtf is actually happening. The in the case of keswick turn up spend 7 million on flood defences and flood more houses.

The trouble with computer modelling is that it appears to give the answers the programmers want most of the time. If your assumptions are wrong it doesn’t matter how good the data you put in, and a lot of that is suspect, you won’t get an answer that stands up in the real world. Unfortunately if it comes from a computer model it is treated as the Word of God by a lot of people who are in positions of power and should know better given the track record of a lot of modelling.

 

[Lancs Lad]

I'll take offence at the local warrior bit here to some extent in the case of the flooding near me where are the ea clipboards when it's raining. You guessed it nowhere to be seen and thats part of the problem. They rely on computer modelling rather than getting out there and actually seeing wtf is actually happening. The in the case of keswick turn up spend 7 million on flood defences and flood more houses. They were told this would be the case but wouldn't listen. Their reason for it happening was a 1 in 100 year rainfall every (which ironically was 1 in 75 at the previous flood and 1 in 50 before that one). You can't dispute the rainfall figures easily as between the last two floods (building the flood defences) they moved the location of the rain guage further up the valley. Now i may be cynical but i thing this was done on purpose.
Re letting nature do it's own thing, probably need to go back 500 years since that was last allowed to happen so i don't see how anybody knows what the result will be. In many cases what the ea preach about and say now can't be done in rivers isn't what farmers and landowners have done in the past but the ea when they were the nra.

Remember Lancaster and storm Desmond? The main substation for the whole area had just been protected by a new bund etc to protect it from once in a hundred year flood....came straight over the top and created a nice resevoir! 55k folk without power for best part of a week from memory. Unbelievable.

 

[TiltyShaun]

Remember Lancaster and storm Desmond? The main substation for the whole area had just been protected by a new bund etc to protect it from once in a hundred year flood....came straight over the top and created a nice resevoir! 55k folk without power for best part of a week from memory. Unbelievable.

No....I believe it. Computer modelling is all the same.
Brown poo in....brown poo out!! (Suitable language to keep the swear count down!)

 

[Giles]

I'll take offence at the local warrior bit here to some extent in the case of the flooding near me where are the ea clipboards when it's raining. You guessed it nowhere to be seen and thats part of the problem. They rely on computer modelling rather than getting out there and actually seeing wtf is actually happening. The in the case of keswick turn up spend 7 million on flood defences and flood more houses. They were told this would be the case but wouldn't listen. Their reason for it happening was a 1 in 100 year rainfall every (which ironically was 1 in 75 at the previous flood and 1 in 50 before that one). You can't dispute the rainfall figures easily as between the last two floods (building the flood defences) they moved the location of the rain guage further up the valley. Now i may be cynical but i thing this was done on purpose.
Re letting nature do it's own thing, probably need to go back 500 years since that was last allowed to happen so i don't see how anybody knows what the result will be. In many cases what the ea preach about and say now can't be done in rivers isn't what farmers and landowners have done in the past but the ea when they were the nra.

Local to you is the wild ennerdale project which is showing good results in rewilding and retaining water in the uplands not draining it fast down to the problem areas.

Wild Ennerdale – Shaping the Landscape Naturally

other studies in Holland and the big rewilding project at knapp on the south coast show it only takes about 20 years for nature to re establish it’s way of doing things once we stop interfering.

there is the Devon beaver project (stop laughing) which again migh help with retaining water in the places it should be not fast tracking it into rivers

 

[GazCro]

Local to you is the wild ennerdale project which is showing good results in rewilding and retaining water in the uplands not draining it fast down to the problem areas.

Wild Ennerdale – Shaping the Landscape Naturally

other studies in Holland and the big rewilding project at knapp on the south coast show it only takes about 20 years for nature to re establish it’s way of doing things once we stop interfering.
there is the Devon beaver project (stop laughing) which again migh help with retaining water in the places it should be not fast tracking it into rivers

Time will tell with ennerdale imho. Coincidentally it's the only area in Cumbria with suitable geology for an underground nuclear dump, which you wouldn't want to build under a reservoir
And the carve up to put a pipeline in from thirlmere to replace the supply from ennerdale........

 

[Bri963]

Experts like the EA? That’s one of the funniest things I’ve read in ages. I grew up in and now live on the edge of the biggest area of reclaimed land in the UK, and when it was all managed by the river authorities and the internal drainage boards, they worked with the landowners and the entire lengths of the rivers were dredged and maintained, with the result that houses built below sea level never flooded. Now the know it all’s at the EA with their green agenda have decided that dredging is bad, (read expensive) and when We get heavy rain the land lies waterlogged for weeks with the result that crops get knocked back, difficult harvests, late planting etc. The EA only get the hump when things like this happen because it highlights their incompetence.

 

[JD450A]

Beaver released in Plymouth at part of Green Minds project | PLYMOUTH.GOV.UK

www.plymouth.gov.uk

I'm looking forward to watching this disaster unfold.

20% of beavers are solitary, which is the huge percentage that has justified these nature loving people to catch a happy beaver from scotland and dump him hundreds of miles from home, in a cage, with no females in sight Poor wee bastard.

 

[Giles]

Experts like the EA? That’s one of the funniest things I’ve read in ages. I grew up in and now live on the edge of the biggest area of reclaimed land in the UK, and when it was all managed by the river authorities and the internal drainage boards, they worked with the landowners and the entire lengths of the rivers were dredged and maintained, with the result that houses built below sea level never flooded. Now the know it all’s at the EA with their green agenda have decided that dredging is bad, (read expensive) and when We get heavy rain the land lies waterlogged for weeks with the result that crops get knocked back, difficult harvests, late planting etc. The EA only get the hump when things like this happen because it highlights their incompetence.

Is that not answering yourself there though,

we drained land for agriculture and built houses below sea level then demand it never floods no matter how much for rain we get etc,

where does it stop where you say ok maybe this land isn’t viable anymore?

 

[V8Druid]

Beaver released in Plymouth at part of Green Minds project | PLYMOUTH.GOV.UK

www.plymouth.gov.uk

I'm looking forward to watching this disaster unfold.

20% of beavers are solitary, which is the huge percentage that has justified these nature loving people to catch a happy beaver from scotland and dump him hundreds of miles from home, in a cage, with no females in sight Poor wee bastard.

watched a re-run of an article on Countryfile a few weeks ago about the beavers in Devon ..... they've been there some time by the sound of it ... long enough to have established a small family anyway ... couple of adults and a couple of juveniles ... the areas they'd dammed were soggy wetland/woodland anyway; not productive ground and well up in the headwaters of whatever stream they were living in ... yes they'd slowed the flow .. but only 'til their dams over-topped and then the flow was as was .... certainly holding back a lot of water .... for a while !

" 10 August 2018 – mark the date. It’s when, on my fourth attempt to see beavers in the wild in the UK, I finally clapped eyes on one. "

How Devon's beaver population is transforming the landscape

After three previous quests to see wild beavers in the UK, editor Fergus Collins finally saw one in a remote valley in west Devon and discovered how the animals have transformed the landscape

www.countryfile.com

Beavers in the UK - Countryfile.com

The latest news and information about beavers in Britain

www.countryfile.com

 

[Giles]

watched a re-run of an article on Countryfile a few weeks ago about the beavers in Devon ..... they've been there some time by the sound of it ... long enough to have established a small family anyway ... couple of adults and a couple of juveniles ... the areas they'd dammed were soggy wetland/woodland anyway; not productive ground and well up in the headwaters of whatever stream they were living in ... yes they'd slowed the flow .. but only 'til their dams over-topped and then the flow was as was .... certainly holding back a lot of water .... for a while !

" 10 August 2018 – mark the date. It’s when, on my fourth attempt to see beavers in the wild in the UK, I finally clapped eyes on one. "

How Devon's beaver population is transforming the landscape

After three previous quests to see wild beavers in the UK, editor Fergus Collins finally saw one in a remote valley in west Devon and discovered how the animals have transformed the landscape

www.countryfile.com

Beavers in the UK - Countryfile.com

The latest news and information about beavers in Britain

www.countryfile.com

Careful what you type in google about beaver watching

 

[Monkeybusiness]

Careful what you type in google about beaver watching

What do you think he was looking for?! This must have been a massive disappointment!

 

[Bri963]

Is that not answering yourself there though,

we drained land for agriculture and built houses below sea level then demand it never floods no matter how much for rain we get etc,

where does it stop where you say ok maybe this land isn’t viable anymore?

Well most of the Fens was drained over 300 years ago, and everyone who knows the Fens understands that storm surges and freak rainfall happen and the best management in the world can’t beat that sort of thing. However, between freak events, the rivers and main drains were kept clear from end to end, and with old technology until fairly recently. So it isn’t rocket science. As for viable, the Fens is 1500 square miles, most of it some of the highest yielding land in the UK. If that lot gets “re-wilded” it’s goodbye forever to anything like self-sufficiency in some crops.

A lot of this eco-crap is only a particular interest group’s ideas forced on everyone else. At the end of the day, they can tell us re-wilding and re-beavering or whatever is good for all of us, but it’ll only be a select few who are allowed to enjoy it first hand, the rest of us will only get to see it on Countryfile as we won’t be trusted to walk through these areas. Unless we’re prepared to pay.

 

[GazCro]

Well most of the Fens was drained over 300 years ago, and everyone who knows the Fens understands that storm surges and freak rainfall happen and the best management in the world can’t beat that sort of thing. However, between freak events, the rivers and main drains were kept clear from end to end, and with old technology until fairly recently. So it isn’t rocket science. As for viable, the Fens is 1500 square miles, most of it some of the highest yielding land in the UK. If that lot gets “re-wilded” it’s goodbye forever to anything like self-sufficiency in some crops.

A lot of this eco-crap is only a particular interest group’s ideas forced on everyone else. At the end of the day, they can tell us re-wilding and re-beavering or whatever is good for all of us, but it’ll only be a select few who are allowed to enjoy it first hand, the rest of us will only get to see it on Countrywatch as we won’t be trusted to walk through these areas. Unless we’re prepared to pay.

Don't worry about being self sufficient it'll not be a problem if there's a shortfall in agri production on the uk due to re wilding, we'll import it from abroad where they'll clear a big chunk of rainforest to grow some crops for us.

 

[pettsy]

" 10 August 2018 – mark the date. It’s when, on my fourth attempt to see beavers in the wild in the UK, I finally clapped eyes on one. "

Got to be in the right place at the right time, so I’ve heard

 

[Lancs Lad]

Beaver released in Plymouth at part of Green Minds project | PLYMOUTH.GOV.UK

www.plymouth.gov.uk

I'm looking forward to watching this disaster unfold.

20% of beavers are solitary, which is the huge percentage that has justified these nature loving people to catch a happy beaver from scotland and dump him hundreds of miles from home, in a cage, with no females in sight Poor wee bastard.

So it's 2045 the beaver hunting permits are being issued....the government are desperate to cull the beaver population as it's spreading beavid45 a strain of wolf35 that was accidentally injected via a vaccine created against the mutated wolf's that were rewilded and spread like wildfire after the greta25 pandemic.

Or something like that. Oh and dont forget tyvek suit wearing Is compulsory outdoors against the mosquitos as any form of pest control is now banned.

 

[fred]

Wolf Reintroduction Changes Ecosystem in Yellowstone

Wolves are causing a trophic cascade of ecological change, including helping to increase beaver populations and bring back aspen, and vegetation.

www.yellowstonepark.com