Cost of a young lad/lass

[Antony Holmes]

what are the costs of training up a young lad/lass yesterday we were talking about lack of opportunitys for young ones and lack of training
i dont employ any one at the moment just work away my self some times on hired work and some times on my own work
i do have a life time of experience to pass on to some one but probable could not charge extra on some of my jobs for an inexperienced person so
so whats it going to cost me to train some one up
i assume i will need extra insurance
cost of picking them up and dropping them off
minimum wage (i assume )
holiday pay
ppe
can i get any help with any of the costs above ?
it would take a good while before you could charge for some one that did not know any thing
thanks for your help

 

[diggerjones]

Yes i think I'm in the same position. Its finding the right person. I live in a small village and in nearly 20 years nobody has approached me to get a job. My reputation must precede me
And with having diggers/tractors etc. You would young lads would be queuing up.

 

[Bob]

I would suggest you contract your local training collage in my area its the agriclture collage they use to pay for all there driving tickets safety training and learn them basic driving skills My son went about twenty years ago He went I think 3 days collage and 2 days with a firm and when he left he had several tickets but no experience which he soon got from Phelens Bob

 

[Quattromike]

For sole trader to go and start employing I think you will need employers liability insurance, you have paye, pension contributions, holiday pay etc. Its a bit of a minefield and daunting initially but as you eluded to already if you find the right person it's certainly worth it. I'm not sure how much minimum wage will come into it depending on age and employment status, trainee etc.

 

[Furniss]

Yes i think I'm in the same position. Its finding the right person. I live in a small village and in nearly 20 years nobody has approached me to get a job. My reputation must precede me
And with having diggers/tractors etc. You would young lads would be queuing up.

Sound like a mozning old geezer but Im in same boat, 15 years on my own with onlyoccassional help and never had someone come into yard and ask for work ....... all builders and groundworks outfits are struggling for staff - boss of a big branch i know was saying they never had a single reply from last advert for a lad starting on dumper/roller etc but had 60 or so people reply to a job in the office - ive given up hope of meeting a lad who isnt scared of graft- imho its every bit as bad here in france as the u.k.

 

[JD450A]

I've looked into it and atm have a lad who would be ideal.

Costs and the way employment law works are now prohibitive. Pension, sick pay etc all need to be covered... And they have to be employed with many H&S loops to jump though......

I could afford it if i paid him £4hr. Minimum wage..... But I'd rather listen to someone play the spoons than make someone endure working like a dog for £4hr

 

[doobin]

I had a young lad approach me a few months back. That counts for a lot in my book. Took him on at minimum wage (f**k jumping through all the apprentice hoops). He's had two pay rises already, very promising.

When you find a good one, the problem is making sure they stick around. The apprentice is smart, so I try to keep him doing stuff that the others would struggle with, like welding. I have another guy who is a great grafter but sadly no matter how many times you tell him, more complex stuff just doesn't stick. Not his fault, just the way he's made. It's my job as a boss to make sure everyone is utilised to their strengths.

Plenty of times I''ve thought f**k it, I'll stop employing and just have all singing all dancing kit. But in this game, you're just buying yourself a job if you do that. If you want to make really good money you have to have staff.

 

[Regy53]

I employ my brother through the books its not that hard if you have a accountant who does pay roll ( i do)

Monthly pay
22 days hols plus bank hols
NEST pension
sick pay

I have never really had to much bother with it all yes the odd day sick i just paid him for it as we do ok generally and have rough conditions

the biggest issue with kids is keeping them of their damn phones.

 

[Quattromike]

the biggest issue with kids is keeping them of their damn phones.

or stopping them from injuring themselves and being off sick and suing you
yes had experience of this and it's not nice for any party. Except of course the solicitors, they do alright out of it.

 

[Mintsauce]

The days of hiring casual labour for cash are gone. Builders seemed to like this method of employment just not the done thing now.

 

[Smiffy]

I think some of it is the young ones not trusting the employer in the same way
I have had plenty of jobs promising advancment and training that never comes i dont mind working for less and doing hard graft as long as im rewarded with trust and being taught
Im not saying you guys won't do this just that there are plenty of companys that wont
And to echo doobin if someone is intelugent you have to keep them thinking and interested or they will move on and its the intelligent motivated ones that people want

 

[Furniss]

And to echo doobin if someone is intelugent you have to keep them thinking and interested or they will move on and its the intelligent motivated ones that people want

No no no .... dont want someone too intelligent ..... just the right level

 

[Mogman]

If you get a very good man/woman to be fair if they are that good they will go it alone as that’s what we all did,,,,,,,didn’t we

 

[Jimoz]

What is the increase from public liability to employers and public liability like? Never done a risk assessment in my life would have to start with all that crap. At least when you use subbies you know everyone uses common sense.

 

[Monkeybusiness]

If you’re using subbie labour then the chances are you should legally have employers liability insurance anyway I’m afraid to say...

 

[Regy53]

Employers liability is bloody expensive

 

[fred]

we use NFU for our and its high 4 figures per year as we are builders. Lot of $$ to find before a stroke of work gets done but if you dont have it and god forbid an accident happens doesnt bear thinking about.

Soon as they find out you work in trenches deeper than 600 (who doesnt) or more than 1 lift of scaff (again who doesnt have a gable to build) then it rockets. We are paying for the total cowboys who dont care.

 

[V8Druid]

we use NFU for our and its high 4 figures per year as we are builders. Lot of $$ to find before a stroke of work gets done but if you dont have it and god forbid an accident happens doesnt bear thinking about.

Soon as they find out you work in trenches deeper than 600 (who doesnt) or more than 1 lift of scaff (again who doesnt have a gable to build) then it rockets. We are paying for the total cowboys who dont care.

Employers liability is bloody expensive

too right !! Used to use NFU too ... best around and one of few that'd entertain 'hot works' cover ... to be fair to NFU, they were bloody brilliant, with totally 'tailored cover for my entire business .... still do my vehicle cover

At one time mine was five figures with NU ....... then I used NFU

 

[Nick...]

If you have one. Extra member of staff you may as well have ten.if you dont pay them well and treat them well the employee will steal to supplement his wages.i know most are ok but some are not.builder mate took on his carpenters girlfriends son for a few days work experiance.cost a fair bit for clothing and ppe and as it was done through bircham newton the builder still has to pay a fee every month which he is not happy about.he had the lad fir 3 days probably 10 years ago and the boy was useless.best thing is to get self employed people and get your customers to pay them direct so they get their money from differant sources.they can still effectively work for you.its just a minefield for all involved
Nick...

 

[Scoff]

Had a lad turn up a few weeks back looking for work as his summer farm work had come to an end,put him on my 13tonner levelling a site for a new building,put the laser on and he was absolutely spot on,he's a cracking machine driver and I asked why he didn't do more and he said he missed farm work,fair enough we've loads of machine work and farm work at the minute.

Last week he disappeared at breakfast time to go to his accountants and never returned,today he disappeared to get some cash from the bank and never returned he's basically sacked himself,feckin muppet!