Another crane collapse

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Monkeybusiness

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20m is that right? Looks much bigger to me
I thought that but have just seen a vid from a helicopter on facebook and it probably is about 20m to the cab, with the boom looking to have gone straight back over the top so the whole thing is laid out in ind long line of destruction.
There was also a big mobile crane onsite so I’d hazard a guess that it’s a derigging incident.
Really horrible to see, terrible for all involved.
 
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Rob65

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The report I heard said crane was only put up the day before.

How long does it take to fully rig such a crane?

Rob
 
doobin

doobin

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Sadly it appears a woman in the house was killed.

Big insurance claim there.
 
V8Druid

V8Druid

do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
looked like a luffing Wolff tower so'd not need a huge stick on it .... My old site in town had a luffer on it which covered most (if not all) of the site
I for one would not leave one stood like it is below ........ would not take a huge wind to blow that over back'ards ....
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was a big tele in Port talbot years ago had its luffing fly (and the whole machine) blown over the top one night in high winds
 
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fred

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so it all boiled down to more wackering.

Wonder who's liability insurance will cough, structural engineer who specced the pads, inspecter who checked them or the gang on minimum wage who built them ?
 
Gunners

Gunners

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I don't think you can tell the structural integrity of the pads from the photos we have of the scene. He makes a fair point about the feet being undamaged but the leverage you would have on such relatively small bolts would just shear them anyway. Its the ballast that holds the crane in place not the bolts.
We know it was being erected at the time of the incident. But also, remember it was very windy that day, without its full counterweight, they would not have been able to lower the jib to such angle where it didn't risk going over the top - which I think everyone agrees is what has happened here. Although in other cases of luffing cranes jibs being blown backwards, the crane tower usually suffers it and is left standing with the jib all bent back over. Here, maybe due to not being fully ballasted at the bottom, it didn't survive it.

One thing is for sure, whoever wrote the method statement will be having some sleepless nights if it turns out the crew did everything right by it. I've done the appointed persons course and it was THE hardest training course I've ever done. Nobody gets "talked" through it, its 5 full days of 8hrs of theory followed by a 6hr exam at the end. Over half the course didn't make it past the 3rd day and of the original lot who started, only 30% of us passed. So my point is, they don't take these things lightly and it will be either down to weather, base failure or the lads not following the method statement.
 
wee_gus

wee_gus

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When I used to put up tower cranes as an apprentice out company standard was that new feet would be welded to the base for new jobs, then they had to be set in Concrete 1m thick, and then we had 5t weights that then went around the base was usually around 25 - 50t depending on height and also length of jib and.
After that crane that fell in London around 2005 2006 every Saturday we had to go round our fleet of cranes and retorque the slew ring bolts night mare of a job
 
doobin

doobin

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When I used to put up tower cranes as an apprentice out company standard was that new feet would be welded to the base for new jobs, then they had to be set in Concrete 1m thick, and then we had 5t weights that then went around the base was usually around 25 - 50t depending on height and also length of jib and.
After that crane that fell in London around 2005 2006 every Saturday we had to go round our fleet of cranes and retorque the slew ring bolts night mare of a job
Which crane was that?
 
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fred

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I don't think you can tell the structural integrity of the pads from the photos we have of the scene. He makes a fair point about the feet being undamaged but the leverage you would have on such relatively small bolts would just shear them anyway. Its the ballast that holds the crane in place not the bolts.
We know it was being erected at the time of the incident. But also, remember it was very windy that day, without its full counterweight, they would not have been able to lower the jib to such angle where it didn't risk going over the top - which I think everyone agrees is what has happened here. Although in other cases of luffing cranes jibs being blown backwards, the crane tower usually suffers it and is left standing with the jib all bent back over. Here, maybe due to not being fully ballasted at the bottom, it didn't survive it.

One thing is for sure, whoever wrote the method statement will be having some sleepless nights if it turns out the crew did everything right by it. I've done the appointed persons course and it was THE hardest training course I've ever done. Nobody gets "talked" through it, its 5 full days of 8hrs of theory followed by a 6hr exam at the end. Over half the course didn't make it past the 3rd day and of the original lot who started, only 30% of us passed. So my point is, they don't take these things lightly and it will be either down to weather, base failure or the lads not following the method statement.

if you look at the vid the rear pad has completely disintegrated /dropped. Time will tell if it was the cause of or a result of the collapse.
 
tinydigger

tinydigger

making machines look small since 1980
Sure it was HTC at the time, we had 4 of the same crane, sure they were what are now Potin cranes
yeah if i remember correctly it was based out near me at Shipdham now called falcon crane hire. company i used to do some driving for used to supply them with threaded rod around the time it happened and can remember them telling me the reaming they got from the HSE about the certs and standards for the rod. if i remember it turned out they had ordered the wrong sort and tried to pin it on the supplier and not there ordering process
 
craig

craig

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The narrator comes across as a complete heartless tosser, but his theory is pretty compelling.
I`m not a 100% buying into where he said the ground has settled about a foot from the top of the pads. Surely you would dig the holes, and shutter around the top to get them all level.
If they where installing the crane the ground works would have been fairly recently done? for it to have settled a foot in a short time, there must of been some rubbish material in there, plus who in there right mind would install the crane on built up ground?
And where he says about the different colour ground, implying its been backfilled, it could just be some crusher run spread about to clean up the ground, around the base.
 
Richard Hunton

Richard Hunton

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I`m not a 100% buying into where he said the ground has settled about a foot from the top of the pads. Surely you would dig the holes, and shutter around the top to get them all level.
If they where installing the crane the ground works would have been fairly recently done? for it to have settled a foot in a short time, there must of been some rubbish material in there, plus who in there right mind would install the crane on built up ground?
And where he says about the different colour ground, implying its been backfilled, it could just be some crusher run spread about to clean up the ground, around the base.

Agreed, could it not be the case if it was anchored to the slabs, its pulled them up as its tipped before fixings have let go?
 
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