Ineos Grenadier

[Lancs Lad]

There are decent utility vehicles already made it just doesn't make financial sense to import them here
In reality a simple utility vehicle would have to sell for 15k when you can buy a decent spec Navara or dmax for 20k
I don't really understand how there is such a big luxury pickup market allowed to occur by the government when we have all these green rules being forced down our throats but the UK tax system practically encourages people to buy pickups when they have no need for them
I would say I don't mind as in years gone buy it's given me a nice selection of old trucks to buy but the trucks being sold now are such poor quality they are never gonna be running by the time they reach me
I just wish you could go and buy a brand new early 2000 ford or Toyota and be safe in the knowledge it's got the best part of 20years of life left
But the general public think heated seats and a lipstick mirror are more important in a pickup

Calm down Greta..it's Friday!

 

[Jimoz]

Pickups seem to be sold with alloy backs like @JD450A loads in Australia.

 

[JD450A]

Simple reality is the UK market is crying out for a 3.5t high capacity small sized 4x4, designed without a rear body for multiple variations to be mounted.

Trouble is this request is very small.... Ideally we all want 7.5t wagons and that would solve all issues.

Our backwards rules create this problem

 

[JD450A]

I just wish you could go and buy a brand new early 2000 ford or Toyota and be safe in the knowledge it's got the best part of 20years of life left

On another note a mate has a fully rebuilt 05 ish ranger single cab. 25k odd miles, as close as you will get to your wish for around 6k. He's a breaker and has made it out of the cream available to him.... But it is utterly mint

I want it but I've my eye on another with a similar story.

 

[Russell]

What does the single cab ranger tow?

 

[Gunners]

Guys, what we want is this.
Single, double cab and station wagon varieties.
4.5L Diesel V8.
And its made in right hand drive already for the Auz market.
I had the pleasure of driving one for a few days on a camping trip to Fraiser Island in some pretty tough sand conditions and the engine was awesome, no end of power.
Plus its made by Toyota so would actually work every morning!

I love my Defender but its a vehicle from another time and was well suited as a farm hack run around. Now we all work further afield, these trucks need to combine cruising comfort with off road ruggedness and payload. Fair play to Ineos for having a go, we do need a decent work truck, even todays pickups are loosing their roots, but what they have done here is combine a Defender, a Santana, a G Wagon and a Jimney. Interesting concept and one to keep an eye on for sure, but as others have said, it really needs to be starting with a 3 or even a 2 for the utility spec and by all means have a fancy leather model in the 4's but give us working guys a chance here!
Or just lobby Toyota to bring the 70 series over here!

 

[Smiffy]

On another note a mate has a fully rebuilt 05 ish ranger single cab. 25k odd miles, as close as you will get to your wish for around 6k. He's a breaker and has made it out of the cream available to him.... But it is utterly mint

I want it but I've my eye on another with a similar story.

That would be a tough decision I love my MK2 I think that era of trucks are probably the pinnacle of work vehicles
Everything since has been designers trying to reinvent the wheel for the sake of sales
But it also compromises my morals spending that much on a 15 year old truck
When I could buy 3 alright ones for the same money

 

[Russell]

Guys, what we want is this.
Single, double cab and station wagon varieties.
4.5L Diesel V8.
And its made in right hand drive already for the Auz market.
I had the pleasure of driving one for a few days on a camping trip to Fraiser Island in some pretty tough sand conditions and the engine was awesome, no end of power.
Plus its made by Toyota so would actually work every morning!

I love my Defender but its a vehicle from another time and was well suited as a farm hack run around. Now we all work further afield, these trucks need to combine cruising comfort with off road ruggedness and payload. Fair play to Ineos for having a go, we do need a decent work truck, even todays pickups are loosing their roots, but what they have done here is combine a Defender, a Santana, a G Wagon and a Jimney. Interesting concept and one to keep an eye on for sure, but as others have said, it really needs to be starting with a 3 or even a 2 for the utility spec and by all means have a fancy leather model in the 4's but give us working guys a chance here!
Or just lobby Toyota to bring the 70 series over here!

If only they would but I think they are dear. When I was there I was told they are around 100,000 aud

 

[Smiffy]

If only they would but I think they are dear. When I was there I was told they are around 100,000 aud

When I worked in NZ they had them
They where about 50% more expensive than a double cab pickup but would last 10times as long and put up with an infinite amount of a abuse
So they could be kept long enough that the real running cost was significantly lower
I don't think anyone would mind paying 40k for the ineos if it was near garanteed to last 20+years would make it a lot cheaper than the current crop of double cabs with a realistic life expectancy of 5 years hard work

 

[Russell]

If the chassis on the ineos gayder is properly galvanized like dipped not electro plated and the body too then it maybe worth a high price but I cant see it to be honest.

 

[Lancs Lad]

Guys, what we want is this.
Single, double cab and station wagon varieties.
4.5L Diesel V8.
And its made in right hand drive already for the Auz market.
I had the pleasure of driving one for a few days on a camping trip to Fraiser Island in some pretty tough sand conditions and the engine was awesome, no end of power.
Plus its made by Toyota so would actually work every morning!

I love my Defender but its a vehicle from another time and was well suited as a farm hack run around. Now we all work further afield, these trucks need to combine cruising comfort with off road ruggedness and payload. Fair play to Ineos for having a go, we do need a decent work truck, even todays pickups are loosing their roots, but what they have done here is combine a Defender, a Santana, a G Wagon and a Jimney. Interesting concept and one to keep an eye on for sure, but as others have said, it really needs to be starting with a 3 or even a 2 for the utility spec and by all means have a fancy leather model in the 4's but give us working guys a chance here!
Or just lobby Toyota to bring the 70 series over here!

Agreed...love the 70 series. Guy up here brings em over , worth a chat of anyone's seriously interested I'll put you in touch with him. His yard looks like an Isis training camp sometimes.

 

[JD450A]

That would be a tough decision I love my MK2 I think that era of trucks are probably the pinnacle of work vehicles
Everything since has been designers trying to reinvent the wheel for the sake of sales
But it also compromises my morals spending that much on a 15 year old truck
When I could buy 3 alright ones for the same money

I know what your saying but the 2000 - 2006 crop of decent trucks is starting to get low.

When I brought my first ranger it was £2500, for a bloody tidy up together full spec truck. I will put my f***ed double cab up in a couple weeks with no MOT and a list of problems (it's basic spec too) for £1500. A decent full spec thunder is £4000 if you want a rust free one.

That one he's selling is mint, properly mint and has zero rust. Issue for me is it's a single cab.

 

[pettsy]

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[V8Druid]

Guys, what we want is this.
Single, double cab and station wagon varieties.
4.5L Diesel V8.
And its made in right hand drive already for the Auz market.
I had the pleasure of driving one for a few days on a camping trip to Fraiser Island in some pretty tough sand conditions and the engine was awesome, no end of power.
Plus its made by Toyota so would actually work every morning!

I love my Defender but its a vehicle from another time and was well suited as a farm hack run around. Now we all work further afield, these trucks need to combine cruising comfort with off road ruggedness and payload. Fair play to Ineos for having a go, we do need a decent work truck, even todays pickups are loosing their roots, but what they have done here is combine a Defender, a Santana, a G Wagon and a Jimney. Interesting concept and one to keep an eye on for sure, but as others have said, it really needs to be starting with a 3 or even a 2 for the utility spec and by all means have a fancy leather model in the 4's but give us working guys a chance here!
Or just lobby Toyota to bring the 70 series over here!

the Japs drive on the left too ... and the Indians ...... 's only the rest of the world that're dull enough to wanna drive cack handed

I could get seriously enthused about owning one of those Landcruisers ...... 4.5l, V8 ... my sort of motivation ... and they have one hell of a rep.

 

[Gunners]

Honestly Druid, as a man who likes Landrovers, you and I both know they never really fitted a proper engine in them. The tdi series came close to the simplicity and reliability, but really could have done with being another 0.5l or more bigger displacement. Actually didnt someone make a bigger bore tdi?
Anyway, my point here is having driven the 4.5L V8 diesel 70 series in anger, I'm still smiling about it to this day! That engine is phenomenal, endless power. And the truck I had was fitted with an aux fuel tank, split charge system, snorkel etc as standard from the dealer. My Nissan dealer couldn't even fit a towbar to my truck last time I bought one....

 

[Smiffy]

I know what your saying but the 2000 - 2006 crop of decent trucks is starting to get low.

When I brought my first ranger it was £2500, for a bloody tidy up together full spec truck. I will put my f***ed double cab up in a couple weeks with no MOT and a list of problems (it's basic spec too) for £1500. A decent full spec thunder is £4000 if you want a rust free one.

That one he's selling is mint, properly mint and has zero rust. Issue for me is it's a single cab.

If you are patient you can still get decent ones for 2.5k
And you can get a 2008 for 4k
Although whether they will have the life span of the older ones is yet to be seen
It's just difficult to imagine the current crop being suitable for "bangernomics" ( running absolute bangers for as cheap as possible usually bought with a years not and scrapped at the end )

And the thing with new trucks is why would anyone buy vehicles like this when a brand new mid spec Isuzu or Nissan is 20k
If they want to sell a bear bones poverty spec truck in numbers it really is gonna have to be sub 15k
If they could manage that it wouldn't matter if it had seats as long as it was 4x4 and carried a tonne it would sell en mass

 

[GazCro]

If you are patient you can still get decent ones for 2.5k
And you can get a 2008 for 4k
Although whether they will have the life span of the older ones is yet to be seen
It's just difficult to imagine the current crop being suitable for "bangernomics" ( running absolute bangers for as cheap as possible usually bought with a years not and scrapped at the end )

And the thing with new trucks is why would anyone buy vehicles like this when a brand new mid spec Isuzu or Nissan is 20k
If they want to sell a bear bones poverty spec truck in numbers it really is gonna have to be sub 15k
If they could manage that it wouldn't matter if it had seats as long as it was 4x4 and carried a tonne it would sell en mass

Not enough profit for manufacturer's to sell a 15k truck though. Spec them all up which costs them peanuts and hey presto 20k upwards. They are not interested in selling you what you want just what they can make the most profit out of.

 

[V8Druid]

Honestly Druid, as a man who likes Landrovers, you and I both know they never really fitted a proper engine in them. The tdi series came close to the simplicity and reliability, but really could have done with being another 0.5l or more bigger displacement. Actually didnt someone make a bigger bore tdi?
Anyway, my point here is having driven the 4.5L V8 diesel 70 series in anger, I'm still smiling about it to this day! That engine is phenomenal, endless power. And the truck I had was fitted with an aux fuel tank, split charge system, snorkel etc as standard from the dealer. My Nissan dealer couldn't even fit a towbar to my truck last time I bought one....

totally agree .... I built a 90 with a 3.5 V8 200 donkey, Vitesse lump .. went real well - at a price (although tolerable on LPG) .. let a mate persuade me to fit a LT77 type Santana 5sp. box ... should've gone with my originally planned bombproof LT95 and Fairey overdrive .. had a few sat and would've been bloody excellent ... it pulled like the proverbial ... but the box was a horrible thing and the Fairey'd have given O/d in every gear ... essentially a splitter
a 90 with a TDV8'd have been awesome ..... but!!!!!! (they do not grow on trees and need to 'talk' to everything else)

 

[Smiffy]

Not enough profit for manufacturer's to sell a 15k truck though. Spec them all up which costs them peanuts and hey presto 20k upwards. They are not interested in selling you what you want just what they can make the most profit out of.

It wasn't meant as a comment about what I want just that they won't sell poverty spec trucks all the time the twin cabs are so cheap
I don't care about the spec level I just wish they where better built so I could justify buying one
I wouldn't mind putting 40 grand on finance if I knew it would last 20 years

 

[GazCro]

It wasn't meant as a comment about what I want just that they won't sell poverty spec trucks all the time the twin cabs are so cheap
I don't care about the spec level I just wish they where better built so I could justify buying one
I wouldn't mind putting 40 grand on finance if I knew it would last 20 years

Thing is maybe it's not that the twin cabs are cheap but that lower spec are actually dear. Either way whichever sells in large numbers will always be most profitable. Re lasting 20 years if any manufacturer were to do this they would be signing their own death warrant.