Tilty....what is in it for the end user?

[Antony Holmes]

Why are you guys brushing grass? Have I missed something here?

dig a track across a playing field some one has to clean it up

 

[fred]

Could do car wash on the side with this baby

https://steelwrist.com/en-uk/products/sweepers-en-uk/sw1000/

 

[Gunners]

dig a track across a playing field some one has to clean it up

Ahh that makes sense. I usually put polythene down for that kind of task. Its awkward if you catch it when back filling but quite clean if you're careful. Havent thought about sweeping it. Learn something every day

 

[fred]

An accessory I would really like is a deep bucket that rests on the floor as it would be too heavy to lift when full, but is held in place by the digger.

It has a pump running from the digger hydraulics, 150mm pipe connection.

Concrete wagon could empty into it and it would pump through the pipe.

Every small builder would buy it.

 

[Antony Holmes]

Ahh that makes sense. I usually put polythene down for that kind of task. Its awkward if you catch it when back filling but quite clean if you're careful. Havent thought about sweeping it. Learn something every day

An accessory I would really like is a deep bucket that rests on the floor as it would be too heavy to lift when full, but is held in place by the digger.

It has a pump running from the digger hydraulics, 150mm pipe connection.

Concrete wagon could empty into it and it would pump through the pipe.

Every small builder would buy it.

several problems with this idea but it can be done
1 to pump concrete it has to have a high cement content so is more expensive
2 a mini digger would not have the flow to drive the pump
3 you get a low of wast it pipes at the end of the job
4 the pump needs cleaned in between loads if not one behind the other
having said all of that you can get a towed concrete pump but i think you would be £8000-10k

 

[Brendan]

An accessory I would really like is a deep bucket that rests on the floor as it would be too heavy to lift when full, but is held in place by the digger.

It has a pump running from the digger hydraulics, 150mm pipe connection.

Concrete wagon could empty into it and it would pump through the pipe.

Every small builder would buy it.

The same as a concrete line pump?

 

[Antony Holmes]

this the sort of thing you had in mind

 

[Gunners]

The ones I've hired have quite a big engine to drive them, I dont think a mini digger would have enough flow? The pipes should be clean at the end before being broken up. They throw a sponge ball down and pump it through. Everything then gets jet washed before the next job. Guys who run it can tell me within a wheelbarrow if they have enough in the pipes and hopper to finish what I'm pouring. Very little waste and clean if you put a bit of polythene down under the hopper.

 

[fred]

Yes that’s them, use them all the time.

I’m sure something could be knocked up, it could have the total flow from the machine as it wouldn’t be doing anything else while pumping. Mine had 2 pumps for example .

Maybe it could have an optional mix kit to could dump in a cube of sand and cement , let it mix then pump.

Ok I need it now. Mr V8druid can you boffinise us a prototype

 

[fred]

Oh my

https://www.bobcat.com/attachments/concrete-pump/features

 

[JD450A]

Most small concrete pumps actually have very small hydraulic pumps powering them, The secret with them is in the way they operate, two large bore rams (Power not Speed) operate out of phase, retired plant engineer down the road whom I regularly converse with used to be heavily involved in them and concrete spraying.... Back up if a Pump broke down was to commandeer the nearest empty mixer and run two hydraulic pipes (F/R) off the mixers hydraulic pump..... would not give speed but would provide enough power to pump out and clear the lines in the event of a major breakdown.

Reason for large engines on concrete pumps is not the flow but the peak pressure/load's involved are colossal.

 

[doobin]

I generally go for £25-30per hour depending on job and how long. I only work flexible hours to suit me as I have child care commitments!!

rates are always a bone of contention on any public forums saw one on face book the other day all sorts of comments from i would not get out of bed for that to how can you charge that you have some nerve i try and get £27.00 most of the time on a steady hire some times have to drop a bit in January for a couple of weeks on day jobs i will do a day rate but it all works out over the month/year
i see 2.5 ton machines out at £21 but not me

Bloody hell guys, I get £33 per hour for a 1.7t all the time. Most often the customer isn’t interested in the tilt hitch either! Put your prices up.

I’ve got a few snazzy attachments but usually it’s just buckets and hitch. My standard labour rate is £24/hour so there has to be something in it for the digger too, else I might just as well stick with petrol tools.

 

[fred]

Man and a machine has to be £250 a day min surely and the client pays or provides the fuel.

 

[Antony Holmes]

you see, this is what happens its easy to say put your rates up but. only you know the hole story the rate is only one bit of the picture.
1 is the rate
2 getting paid to travel/mileage at a decant rate
3 fuel supplied
4 the big one getting paid and when
5 is it the type of work you like doing
6 where you are if you are in London you need a bigger rate as labour costs are higher

it is not all down to the rate. if it was the big boys would just mop up all the work and put the rest of us out of business

last winter i was on a the same site as a brand new js 130 from one of the big hire firms and i was on a higher rate than him but it is not a race to the bottom.
if you can get what you are happy with and that works with your business module and costs go with that.

oh and if you have loads of cross hire work at £30.00 plus an hour i would think you could find loads of owner opps that would work for that.

 

[V8Druid]

rates and POA all seem to be huge bones of contention, all over the place ....... don't see why if folk have their set rates they can't publish them ......may vary from areas, as does affluence, but at the end of the day, if that is what achievable and what you like to see, there's no sense in denigrating other's targets, if they don't meet your own expectations/desires.
costs and lifestyles vary widely across the UK and so do prices ... end of!

As for POA ..... we all hate it and I think it's pretty universally accepted that it's a good indication of unrealistic expectations on the seller's part, if they're embarrassed to state their selling prices. Generally not even worth a call ...... unless you want a good laugh

 

[Jimbo69]

Best bet is to pick up the phone and talk to the suppliers direct. Tell them from outset you simply want a ball park figure.

As Rob says above - talk direct. The three main companies in the UK (in the world, for that matter) are us (Engcon),Rototilt and Steelwrist.

Call all of us and ask the question. Engcon's landline is 01684 297168 or if you would like to talk to me direct, please call 07702 167809

regards

Robert

I’ll give you a call in the next couple of weeks Robert, was just curious to know. I’m not looking for one at the moment but may consider one next time I change. I think the initial cost is a big put off but I can see that in the long term the cost per hour may not be as much as first thought.

 

[Brendan]

Same as the bunfight thread surprised at the prices the 2.5-3t minis go out for let alone with a tilty on the end. Fair enough if you can afford to go out for it but getting similiar day rates with a micro although only do day work at 8 hours a day. As much as I'd like a 2.5t ish machine and a tilty just can't see the outlay for it let alone keep it in work

 

[Antony Holmes]

as we are talking rates. it is difficult to compare one type of excavator with another and agree for the best return on capital employed you are better off with a micro digger and if i was 30 years younger that's what i would have got, along with a couple of micro/tracked dumpers you would earn more money with that than any other plant for the money.
but it rains a lot in Scotland so nickers to sitting on a micro digger day in day out.

 

[Brendan]

Plus winter is coming and sitting on the micro sucks balls. Last year every lock had frozen on it and the seat was like a block of ice that was a twat of a day.

 

[Gunners]

Plus winter is coming and sitting on the micro sucks balls. Last year every lock had frozen on it and the seat was like a block of ice that was a twat of a day.

I've always wondered why they don't make heated seats on micros and dumpers. Would make quite a big difference to using them all day in winter. But I guess its a cost thing again.