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[Stroppymonkey]

This is a local case. Seems to have taken an incredibly long time (4 years) to get to the courts? The company has moved sites now and is only a mile away. Huge place now.

Two men fatally injured in concrete slab fall, inquest hears

Two men died after concrete slab toppled off a lorry, an inquest jury has heard.

www.tavistock-today.co.uk

 

[Monkeybusiness]

It sounds horrific.

 

[DaveDCB]

Did I read that right - one panel fell, they went to help, then another panel fell?! What a chaotic mess! No prosecution either?
Yet a builder got fined 15k for no hot water for handwash on site!!

 

[Stroppymonkey]

Did I read that right - one panel fell, they went to help, then another panel fell?! What a chaotic mess! No prosecution either?
Yet a builder got fined 15k for no hot water for handwash on site!!

That’s the story I heard. Have heard (god knows if true or false) that the driver pulled them off/over with incorrect strapping technique. Again.. this is only what I have heard through local hearsay . If it is the case then I guess the manufacturer not really at fault. The worker just went to help and copped it as well. Poor bastards.
Pretty s**t for everyone else working there and the emergency services. Regardless of wether at fault or indeed not at fault , it must have been a pretty stressful few years for the company as well.

 

[hiluxman]

Did I read that right - one panel fell, they went to help, then another panel fell?! What a chaotic mess! No prosecution either?
Yet a builder got fined 15k for no hot water for handwash on site!!

And there lies the problem with all the health and safety nonsense. No action is relative and they then wonder why people get pissed off with the entire situation

 

[pettsy]

Was a collision investigation program on ch5 the other night, covering two local fatalities. One was a skip company moving soil with tractor and trailer which went over speed hump and loaded trailer came unhitched. Hitch and ring were well worn out.didn’t even look like brakes were connected! Trailer rolled back and hit a learner driver, crushed her dad in passenger seat with soil and suffocated. Tractor driver and owner seemed to show no remorse whatsoever and in the end just got a 16week suspended sentence Because of some health and safety rules. Criminal!

 

[DaveDCB]

Was a collision investigation program on ch5 the other night, covering two local fatalities. One was a skip company moving soil with tractor and trailer which went over speed hump and loaded trailer came unhitched. Hitch and ring were well worn out.didn’t even look like brakes were connected! Trailer rolled back and hit a learner driver, crushed her dad in passenger seat with soil and suffocated. Tractor driver and owner seemed to show no remorse whatsoever and in the end just got a 16week suspended sentence Because of some health and safety rules. Criminal!

Saw an old Agri trailer at the side of the road afew years ago, the drawbar had completely snapped in half!!

 

[JD450A]

Don't get me started tbh.

 

[V8Druid]

Saw an old Agri trailer at the side of the road afew years ago, the drawbar had completely snapped in half!!

I had one come in years ago -- sprung drawbar ... dunno WTF they'd put on it but was bent 30-40 degs ... front of trailer must've been touching the floor .. got some pix of it somewhere .. rebuilt it and never saw it again so assume they'd not been so dull a second time

 

[Lancs Lad]

30 folk a year on average killed in ag
Deadliest industry by a mile.
No way in a million years we want it to go the way of the pathetic big site method...but surely there's a bit of a middle ground with common sense applied some of the stuff I see makes you squirm still.

That 30 dad's and kids that family's are missing sorry bit morbid but it's a year since my dad went ..this morning . Reality hits

 

[Stroppymonkey]

30 folk a year on average killed in ag
Deadliest industry by a mile.
No way in a million years we want it to go the way of the pathetic big site method...but surely there's a bit of a middle ground with common sense applied some of the stuff I see makes you squirm still.

That 30 dad's and kids that family's are missing sorry bit morbid but it's a year since my dad went ..this morning . Reality hits

The elderly make up a very large percentage of Ag fatality. Personally I would rather die pissing about on a tractor at 80 than sitting in a home. Most farmers work on in later years out of choice. I almost think that Ag Deaths over the age of retirement should be discounted as they are to a large part voluntary/by choice and whilst regrettable, its better to be out doing than mouldering away. We should be focusing on keeping the young ones safe. 2 cases locally where small kids killed on farms recently. They are far more horrific IMHO. I think Dad has at least 2 kids from his year at school die on the farms. It was why he was so stern on me not driving tractors till I was 13. Annoys me when I see popular videos of farm kids out driving full size machinery when they are far too young to be taking that level of responsibility.


All these around here in recent years. All preventable. The last 1 not directly ag related - but drink driving / no seatbelts is a very common thing amongst the age group/young farmers.

Child dies after being hit by tractor in tragic incident

The child's family has been informed and the death is not being treated as suspicious

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Toddler dies on Devon farm

Stay up-to-date with the latest farm news and insights from the agricultural industry with Farmers Guardian. From livestock to crops, we cover it all with expert analysis and opinion pieces. Visit our website now for in-depth coverage and exclusive content.

www.farmersguardian.com

Fatal tractor driver not wearing seat belt, inquest told - Farmers Weekly

A young Devon farmer was killed after his tractor left a narrow country lane and struck a raised drain gully, an inquest was told. Todd Riggs, 33, from

www.fwi.co.uk

Teenage farm worker dies after being trapped in bale-wrapping machine - Farmers Guide

A 17-year-old farm worker from Devon, Luke Searle, died after being trapped in a bale-wrapping machine, an inquest heard.

www.farmersguide.co.uk

Woman's hair entangled in farm machine that 'pulled her to her death'

Lauren Scott was volunteering on the farm when she became "catastrophically entangled" in a machine.

www.bbc.co.uk

Inquest finds teenager tragically killed in crash was more than twice over legal alcohol limit

A TEENAGER who died after crashing his car as he drove himself home from a night out at his local pub was more than two times over the legal alcohol limit, an inquest has heard.

www.okehampton-today.co.uk

 

[V8Druid]

This is a local case. Seems to have taken an incredibly long time (4 years) to get to the courts? The company has moved sites now and is only a mile away. Huge place now.

Two men fatally injured in concrete slab fall, inquest hears

Two men died after concrete slab toppled off a lorry, an inquest jury has heard.

www.tavistock-today.co.uk

Gryphonn Concrete gone belly up BTLs .... big outfit round here and a massive stock to clear ... can't keep making it if it ain't selling

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[Quattromike]

There's been a few females KO'd around here in the field in last few years, getting in or out the cab while in motion and ending up below it and whatever it was dragging across the ground.
Not very nice for any of those involved.

 

[JD450A]

The ag fatality rate is horrific.

I know two since January 1st.... Both under 30, one to a UTV that has not been classed as an agricultural death but is close enough.... Another by an unpropped trailer.

Writing the statistics off as due to age is wrong..... It's state of mind and lone working that are the issues.

 

[Stroppymonkey]

The ag fatality rate is horrific.

I know two since January 1st.... Both under 30, one to a UTV that has not been classed as an agricultural death but is close enough.... Another by an unpropped trailer.

Writing the statistics off as due to age is wrong..... It's state of mind and lone working that are the issues.

The ag mentality is VERY different. Always has been. Hard to see how to change it. Training and more training I guess. Part of the reason I went into construction as I found that I preferred having actual rules and guidelines in my work rather than just doing things any old how.

After the local lad (his parents are family friends) was killed (2017) after being thrown out the back of the cab there was a huge local campaign to wear seatbelts in tractors.
Then a couple weeks later I photographed a group of lads with a LARGE tractor pulling out stuck vehicles from the local festival. One of the lads was riding on the drawbar whilst recoveries were undertaken. I posted the photo up on local social media highlighting the safety issue, and a huge backlash at me from the local ag brigade saying I was farmer bashing and that it was okay because they had always done it. One slip of a welly boot and you would be under the front of whatever campervan or caravan that was being dragged out. Bloody idiots.

 

[V8Druid]

The ag mentality is VERY different. Always has been. Hard to see how to change it. Training and more training I guess. Part of the reason I went into construction as I found that I preferred having actual rules and guidelines in my work rather than just doing things any old how.

After the local lad (his parents are family friends) was killed (2017) after being thrown out the back of the cab there was a huge local campaign to wear seatbelts in tractors.
Then a couple weeks later I photographed a group of lads with a LARGE tractor pulling out stuck vehicles from the local festival. One of the lads was riding on the drawbar whilst recoveries were undertaken. I posted the photo up on local social media highlighting the safety issue, and a huge backlash at me from the local ag brigade saying I was farmer bashing and that it was okay because they had always done it. One slip of a welly boot and you would be under the front of whatever campervan or caravan that was being dragged out. Bloody idiots.

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[Stroppymonkey]

can't educate pork

I’m not saying they are stupid.. they are just indoctrinated to be ignorant.

 

[Furniss]

I'll never forget silaging as a kid - backed up to trailer in field to pick it up and someone was stood next to drawbar waiting to plug tipping hose in, my foot slipped off clutch and nearly knobbled them occasionally you get a learn and a second chance

 

[JD450A]

It's not about educating. It's about providing the tools to work safely.

Emergency Personnel Rescue Beacons (EPRB) are about £250-1000 and literally commonplace in marine work and alot of remote contracting work. Best case a system could be implemented using phone apps for agri workers with a system set up to alert if, for example the person is static for longer than 5 minutes..... Obviously you'd get false positives. But the odd false call out is better than a fatality because father brown has tripped, broken his leg and is dying of hypothermia.

The predecessor to HSE did a fantastic job implementing the fitment of Rollbars and legislation..... The same could be done for fixed propping equipment to be retrofitted to trailers.

It won't and never will be done. HSE would rather prosecute people for sitting children in cabs (the absolute safest place to be provided your not a mong).

And Agriculture suffers (as does construction) from poor accident data recording, statistic sharing and evidence based safety management at a national level.

And that's without the conversation about finances.... Hard to increase safety through equipment or tech if you can't afford to pay yourself properly.

The mentality thing is alas something that exists in all industries.... Agri unfortunately just doesn't get enough constructive conversations to challenge it.