For Ducks sakes.

[Storrsy]

bang on ..... most folk think it's everyone else's responsibility to 'take care' of them .. I didn't get to nigh on 70 by standing under suspended loads, or in front of FLTs / trucks / cars / etc. or jumping off high places - even the dullest knows electric kills and leave it alone

Too much health and safety perhaps. Like people can't think for themselves unless they're told it. I dont know how you teach self preservation tbh you either have it or you don't?

 

[Lancs Lad]

Too much health and safety perhaps. Like people can't think for themselves unless they're told it. I dont know how you teach self preservation tbh you either have it or you don't?

Common sense ...like today's job. Installing a bridge across to an island on a little pond. Boat,tb216 and some 4m timbers.
Id love to see the rams for that on a weekday 🫣🫣. Noone even fell in

 

[Giles]

I know what you saying but London just seems so much worse. Probably due to the wonders of Diversity. I mean if you are driving a dodgy electric bike doing 30mph delivering takeaway crap why wouldn't you wear a helmet?

There’s gotta be some organised crime type thing running the scam, how wise do they get a phone, identical e bike and Uber eats etc account when they’re African arrivals.

Also they’re black as night and then wear all black as well no sense of self preservation no high viz or helmets etc

 

[doobin]

There’s gotta be some organised crime type thing running the scam, how wise do they get a phone, identical e bike and Uber eats etc account when they’re African arrivals.

Also they’re black as night and then wear all black as well no sense of self preservation no high viz or helmets etc

One immigrant with right to work rents their account out to the others. deliveroo doesn’t question how they are working 24 hours a day and just pays them.

The root cause here is the lack of balls to prevent American (and it’s always American) companies bleeding our economy dry. No taxes are paid here- the immigrant obviously doesn’t declare them and the American company just offshores their profits.

This is an absolute brilliant book on the subject. For a first time writer he has an incredibly engaging style. Highly recommended.

Vassal State – How America Runs Britain

vassalstate.co.uk

 

[Lancs Lad]

Another slight thread digression
But there's a discussion to be had about why they are always offshore companies ?
For the record just eat isn't American but just as bad tbh.

 

[doobin]

Another slight thread digression
But there's a discussion to be had about why they are always offshore companies ?
For the record just eat isn't American but just as bad tbh.

Because we allow it. Who wouldn’t offshore?

Profits made from uk need to be taxed in the uk.

 

[Smiffy]

One immigrant with right to work rents their account out to the others. deliveroo doesn’t question how they are working 24 hours a day and just pays them.

The root cause here is the lack of balls to prevent American (and it’s always American) companies bleeding our economy dry. No taxes are paid here- the immigrant obviously doesn’t declare them and the American company just offshores their profits.

This is an absolute brilliant book on the subject. For a first time writer he has an incredibly engaging style. Highly recommended.

Vassal State – How America Runs Britain

vassalstate.co.uk

To be entirely fair I think American companies do it to American society as well. Tbh I think they are even worse to their own people. Their workers rights are absolutely disgraceful.

 

[Lancs Lad]

To be entirely fair I think American companies do it to American society as well. Tbh I think they are even worse to their own people. Their workers rights are absolutely disgraceful.

Ours will be worse...when there's no companies left to employ them ...workers rights bill will take care of that . Bravo comunist comrades

 

[Smiffy]

Ours will be worse...when there's no companies left to employ them ...workers rights bill will take care of that . Bravo comunist comrades

There will always be companies in this country and regardless of origin they have to meet UK employment rights.

As for any reforms it's impossible to please everyone. On one hand you have the useless people that are being overly protected. On the other you have the vast amount of construction workers on cis acting as self employed because they think they are better off when in reality the extra they get paid nowhere near tallies up with how much they loose out on. And not to mention the vast majority of them are skimping on things like insurance either because they don't understand the implications or they are just taking a gamble on nothing going wrong.

 

[doobin]

There will always be companies in this country and regardless of origin they have to meet UK employment rights.

As for any reforms it's impossible to please everyone. On one hand you have the useless people that are being overly protected. On the other you have the vast amount of construction workers on cis acting as self employed because they think they are better off when in reality the extra they get paid nowhere near tallies up with how much they loose out on. And not to mention the vast majority of them are skimping on things like insurance either because they don't understand the implications or they are just taking a gamble on nothing going wrong.

The 'gig economy' (that's every single one of these deliveroo type firms) is worse than construction for avoiding tax. Most of them aren't even legally entitled to work in this country, and the ones that are, you really think they are submitting their books every year?

Making tax digital won't help in the slightest when the account is rented for cash to a dozen other drivers and the rigistered account holder lives in a rented bedsit and has nothing in his bank acount,.

 

[Giles]

Someone is fronting the e bikes and phones getting paid then paying 10-25% to the immigrant doing the rounds in some modern slavery type thing. Be it Romanian mob or homegrown ocg etc

 

[V8Druid]

so surely these 'immis' doing all this'd be easy targets for immigration officers to round up ? (if they could be bothered, of course)

 

[6feetdown]

so surely these 'immis' doing all this'd be easy targets for immigration officers to round up ? (if they could be bothered, of course)

Not allowed would be my guess

 

[Stroppymonkey]

Someone is fronting the e bikes and phones getting paid then paying 10-25% to the immigrant doing the rounds in some modern slavery type thing. Be it Romanian mob or homegrown ocg etc

You think the bikes are purchased not stolen?

 

[Lancs Lad]

Nice Summary of MTD i found on LI.

Rachel Reeves has just unveiled her latest masterstroke: a “mandatory” digital tax system that three quarters of businesses have simply ignored.

Not resisted. Not protested. Just… ignored. That’s not a rollout. That’s a boycott. This £50,000 threshold rule now in force requires anyone earning over that level from self-employment or property to submit quarterly digital updates to HMRC. Four times a year. Every year. Or face penalties.

And yet 75% haven’t even signed up.
You can almost picture the scene at the Treasury. Months of planning. Endless consultations. Policy papers. Press releases about “modernisation” and “efficiency”.
Then the grand launch arrives… and the entire target audience collectively shrugs.

Even the industry bodies aren’t shocked. They’re openly saying there’s an “awareness gap” which is a polite way of saying: people either don’t know, don’t care, or have decided this is not worth engaging with. Probably all three.

And here’s where it gets even better.
HMRC insists this will make things easier because your records will be stored digitally throughout the year.
Right because nothing simplifies your life quite like turning one annual task into five separate obligations, adding software costs, learning new systems, and tracking deadlines like you’re managing a flight schedule.

But don’t worry they’ve been generous. No penalty points for the first 12 months. Not because the system works… but because they know full well it doesn’t.

It’s essentially a grace period while everyone scrambles to figure out what they’ve been signed up for.
And if you thought this only affects higher earners, think again. £50k today. £30k next year. £20k after that.

This isn’t a threshold it’s a conveyor belt. Reeves isn’t modernising tax. She’s widening the net, slowly but deliberately, until even modest earners are dragged into quarterly reporting cycles designed for systems far bigger than them.

All while HMRC sends reminders, emails, letters, and adverts desperately trying to get people to comply with a system that, judging by the numbers, nobody asked for.

And that’s the real story here. Not the software. Not the deadlines. Not even the penalties. It’s the complete disconnect.

A government convinced it’s simplifying things… while the people expected to follow it simply don’t show up.

Because when three quarters of your audience ignores your flagship policy, it’s not a communication issue. It’s a credibility one.

 

[6feetdown]

Nice Summary of MTD i found on LI.

Rachel Reeves has just unveiled her latest masterstroke: a “mandatory” digital tax system that three quarters of businesses have simply ignored.

Not resisted. Not protested. Just… ignored. That’s not a rollout. That’s a boycott. This £50,000 threshold rule now in force requires anyone earning over that level from self-employment or property to submit quarterly digital updates to HMRC. Four times a year. Every year. Or face penalties.

And yet 75% haven’t even signed up.
You can almost picture the scene at the Treasury. Months of planning. Endless consultations. Policy papers. Press releases about “modernisation” and “efficiency”.
Then the grand launch arrives… and the entire target audience collectively shrugs.

Even the industry bodies aren’t shocked. They’re openly saying there’s an “awareness gap” which is a polite way of saying: people either don’t know, don’t care, or have decided this is not worth engaging with. Probably all three.

And here’s where it gets even better.
HMRC insists this will make things easier because your records will be stored digitally throughout the year.
Right because nothing simplifies your life quite like turning one annual task into five separate obligations, adding software costs, learning new systems, and tracking deadlines like you’re managing a flight schedule.

But don’t worry they’ve been generous. No penalty points for the first 12 months. Not because the system works… but because they know full well it doesn’t.

It’s essentially a grace period while everyone scrambles to figure out what they’ve been signed up for.
And if you thought this only affects higher earners, think again. £50k today. £30k next year. £20k after that.

This isn’t a threshold it’s a conveyor belt. Reeves isn’t modernising tax. She’s widening the net, slowly but deliberately, until even modest earners are dragged into quarterly reporting cycles designed for systems far bigger than them.

All while HMRC sends reminders, emails, letters, and adverts desperately trying to get people to comply with a system that, judging by the numbers, nobody asked for.

And that’s the real story here. Not the software. Not the deadlines. Not even the penalties. It’s the complete disconnect.

A government convinced it’s simplifying things… while the people expected to follow it simply don’t show up.

Because when three quarters of your audience ignores your flagship policy, it’s not a communication issue. It’s a credibility one.

Absolute tossers

 

[Storrsy]

The only benefit I can see to MTD is that theoretically it should do away with the paying on account that so many small businesses/sole traders become a cropper on. I assume now that it will be like vat. You owe X amount for the last 3 months- cough up.