Lancs Lad
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4.5T tow ! 4.5T GVW and 8T train.
FFS we are screwed over here now.
FFS we are screwed over here now.
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Monkeybusiness
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As long as they fit an engine that isn’t dog-toffee (which Ford seem incapable of manufacturing for some reason)…
Simon edwards
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Would’nt me much of a market over here with our archaic laws, class one and o license for a pickup and trailer .
Quattromike
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We need a classification of vehicle in this country between 3 and 6 ton for business use without the baggage of full blown operator licence and tacho rules. Would help alot of folk to crack on more and get on with things that normally hold them up. I'm all for some form of control like MOT every six months or additional driver licence but the full blown OL over 3.5t is a real pain to any business with plant or moving heavier items but not lorry size items
If you do the campaigning I'll sign on
JD450A
Feral as Fk 🐾
Ramp it up to 13t. Either as individual gross or train weight.We need a classification of vehicle in this country between 3 and 6 ton for business use without the baggage of full blown operator licence and tacho rules. Would help alot of folk to crack on more and get on with things that normally hold them up. I'm all for some form of control like MOT every six months or additional driver licence but the full blown OL over 3.5t is a real pain to any business with plant or moving heavier items but not lorry size items
If you do the campaigning I'll sign on
6 monthly MOT required and consistent good standing.
Lancs Lad
Well-known member
Bang on.We need a classification of vehicle in this country between 3 and 6 ton for business use without the baggage of full blown operator licence and tacho rules. Would help alot of folk to crack on more and get on with things that normally hold them up. I'm all for some form of control like MOT every six months or additional driver licence but the full blown OL over 3.5t is a real pain to any business with plant or moving heavier items but not lorry size items
If you do the campaigning I'll sign on
And as Rory says mots and good standing .
Be a darn sight safer than a clapped out pickup and ifor been driven and max cap and beyond.
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6feetdown
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Yeah totally agree it would remove a lot of journeys off the road. 7.5t and a 3.5t trailer has to be safer than 3.5t and 3.5t trailerWe need a classification of vehicle in this country between 3 and 6 ton for business use without the baggage of full blown operator licence and tacho rules. Would help alot of folk to crack on more and get on with things that normally hold them up. I'm all for some form of control like MOT every six months or additional driver licence but the full blown OL over 3.5t is a real pain to any business with plant or moving heavier items but not lorry size items
If you do the campaigning I'll sign on
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Smiffy
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I think unfortunately the reality is that instead of overloaded 3.5t vans we will just end up with overloaded 7.5t lorries. All the ones pushing it will just push it in a bigger vehicle. If it was police able then we wouldn't have bent lorry firms. The only benefit is an overloaded 7.5t is alot more capable of stopping than an overloaded van
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Brendan
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As much, as I would like an easing of rules for above 3.5t, those who are running overloaded will just continue to run overweight. It's all well saying a 7.5t will have better brakes but those mongs running 40%+ over weight will still continue to, except instead of being around 5t they will be be over 10t.
There is only a handful of manufacturers selling 3.5-5t vans
Are 7.5t vehicle still limited to 3.5t towing or can they go higher
Wouldn't matter either way for me as would have to do the required licenses as well
There is only a handful of manufacturers selling 3.5-5t vans
Are 7.5t vehicle still limited to 3.5t towing or can they go higher
Wouldn't matter either way for me as would have to do the required licenses as well
V8Druid
do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
7.5s are usually plated to 12t train, but to get the extra tonne over the 3.5t overrun braking, they must have coupled braking and a 4.5t trailer would not be cheap so're rarely seen
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6feetdown
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Plate to 11t
groundworker
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There will always be people running overweight but anyone with a 3.5t vehicle is now running overweight by default.
Tipper truck lucky to carry a bulk bag, recovery truck lucky to move a hatchback, delivery van lucky to carry a day's drops.
If you can't carry an everyday/standard load for your work legally then the vehicle is basically pointless.
Not sure what the answer is but the current situation is laughable.
Tipper truck lucky to carry a bulk bag, recovery truck lucky to move a hatchback, delivery van lucky to carry a day's drops.
If you can't carry an everyday/standard load for your work legally then the vehicle is basically pointless.
Not sure what the answer is but the current situation is laughable.
V8Druid
do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
my last 7.5 was 12t and all the others before them were 12t train ..
V8Druid
do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
recovery should be taxed as recovery and come under different reg.s though
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Brendan
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To be fair there shouldn't be any 3.5t recovery trucks, they just are not fit for purpose and are only used by people to avoid all the hassle of running legit.
Delivery vans should only be loaded as appropriate but again just like the recovery trucks they are used to avoid all the hassles with driving license, o license, CPC etc when in reality majority of them are way over weight, have seen a lot of corner shop vans being way overloaded and had a mate who worked transporting passports which were always double the payload.
As for tippers everyone knows they carry sub 1t yet will always run overweight to save all the issues going legit over 3.5t.
The rules are the biggest problem they are archaic, as lets face it, when they were made there was very few vehicles that could weigh 3.5t and cars at the time were sub 1.5t
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Monkeybusiness
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When the rules were drafted cars and vans were small and light. Crash protection, pedestrian protection, passenger protection, emissions regulations, and environmental bullshido have put paid to that sadly - the basic weight limits haven’t been raised to keep up with modern life, so what was a fit-for-purpose weight limit is now a pointless exercise.
V8Druid
do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
absolutely .... train weights on VIN plates have also put paid to a lot of towing potential ..
used to tow all sorts behind a Princess or Hunter GLS, etc., etc. .... and you drove accordingly, to suit what was behind you ...
for example (and one I can recall easily)- hauled 3t back from Churtsey behind an 1800 Princess with zero problems
or just over 5t of plate (over a weigh bridge) behind a SWB ser.III Landy from a sale in Cardiff - that was an effort though
(coming up to the lights in Malpas ( @6feetdown will know them ) and there's a plod on the beat walking up the hill faster than I'm driving )Red and White buses used to have a LWB 109 that'd haul a decker up 'the Rock' (very slowly) - The Rock is a local hill on the A465, 4 ish miles long and used to be a flog in anything (especially my old Ransomes Rapier SP crane
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Smiffy
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But peoples driving skills and the damage a bigger vehicle can do haven't changed. It's an unfortunate crossroads.
groundworker
Well-known member
Maybe it wasn't clear but this is my point
Vehicles have changed, regs haven't. 3.5t not fit for purpose and lorries haven't become more accessible.
If small businesses worked to rule the economy would come to a standstill.
It's all backwards.
doobin
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