Tilting buckets.

[JoeS]

Which manufacturers scandi tilt bucket do you have, on what size machine?

used BW branded scandi and standard on a sk75, hard life on a dx63. Plus un known brands on larger machines. Not done much in that weight range but i cant see why it wouldn't transfer to a smaller machine?

 

[Storrsy]

Shhh

Ahh. I've just made the connection with this and CPS post above

 

[Storrsy]

Are the Scandi tilt buckets too numb to clean out ditches side on. Standard grader would look to be better for this?
Trying to minimise the amount of having to have different buckets for different jobs. If I'm doing paths there is often ditches alongside them too ..

 

[Smiffy]

Are the Scandi tilt buckets too numb to clean out ditches side on. Standard grader would look to be better for this?
Trying to minimise the amount of having to have different buckets for different jobs. If I'm doing paths there is often ditches alongside them too ..

I watched a bloke trying and clean a ditch with a standard ditcher on a tilty and he made an absolute pig of the job.

 

[Storrsy]

I watched a bloke trying and clean a ditch with a standard ditcher on a tilty and he made an absolute pig of the job.

But would he have still made a pigs ear of it without the tilty?

 

[Smiffy]

But would he have still made a pigs ear of it without the tilty?

Not sure but the build height of the tilty meant couldn't run the back of the bucket up the closer bank to smooth it and couldn't round out the bottom properly. Plus there where tilty shapped lumps out the far bank

 

[Storrsy]

Not sure but the build height of the tilty meant couldn't run the back of the bucket up the closer bank to smooth it and couldn't round out the bottom properly. Plus there where tilty shapped lumps out the far bank

Would have been easier just to use the grading edge rather than try curl the whole lot at the bottom of the ditch

 

[Smiffy]

Would have been easier just to use the grading edge rather than try curl the whole lot at the bottom of the ditch

Clay ditches round here don't like being cut with the cutting edge at to much of an aggressive angle or the bank collapses. Likewise you have to seal the banks or they collapse very quickly. Obviously with a tilty he could have spun the bucket backwards to seal the nearest bank but would take longer. I have no experience cleaning ditches in other soil types

 

[JoeS]

As long as its a open enough ditch and its stable enough to use the cutting edge the whole time its easy enough to do with a scandi. Id even argue quicker if the ditch is very full due to the extra you can hold...on a narrow ditch it can be a complete pita (i was never beaten but there was definitely days id rather had a standard one) Sometimes resorted to cleaning it towards you using the corners of the bucket but thats not always a ideal

 

[Storrsy]

What's the easiest way to divert the hydraulic lines between using the thumb and tilting bucket. I don't have 4 pipes just the 2 but would be nice to leave the thumb plugged in whilst using the tilt bucket?

 

[CPS]

Ah now come on someone else already started him on CEtops earlier 🫣

What machine is it on?,

 

[V8Druid]

6 x 2 diverter -- obviously ..............but if you wanna go down the cetop route

 

[Storrsy]

Ah now come on someone else already started him on CEtops earlier 🫣

What machine is it on?,

Takeuchi TB228. Not overly fussed about being able to use 2 circuits at the same time (although that would be nice) it's just to save unplugging couplings between attachments as the thumb stays on all the time.

 

[Stroppymonkey]

Takeuchi TB228. Not overly fussed about being able to use 2 circuits at the same time (although that would be nice) it's just to save unplugging couplings between attachments as the thumb stays on all the time.

Presumably a pair of 3 way lever valves is the poor man’s way? Applying my plumbing knowledge to hydraulics doesn’t always work though.

 

[CPS]

Presumably a pair of 3 way lever valves is the poor man’s way? Applying my plumbing knowledge to hydraulics doesn’t always work though.

This would be the cheapest a simplest way, and possibly the tidest, the only problem arises when you want to use the tilt bucket with the thumb

 

[Storrsy]

This would be the cheapest a simplest way, and possibly the tidest, the only problem arises when you want to use the tilt bucket with the thumb

I was looking into this earlier and even that got complicated for me- talk of open center and close center valve options? No idea which I need. Then got to find a tidy away of fixing the valves to the dipper. Probably is the option I go down short of getting someone else to do an install with either an an electric diverter so I can switch between attachments on the joysticks- or tap into the offset- which wouldn't be great as is on a pedal

 

[Stroppymonkey]

I was looking into this earlier and even that got complicated for me- talk of open center and close center valve options? No idea which I need. Then got to find a tidy away of fixing the valves to the dipper. Probably is the option I go down short of getting someone else to do an install with either an an electric diverter so I can switch between attachments on the joysticks- or tap into the offset- which wouldn't be great as is on a pedal

AFAIA open centre and open offset just means which port is open at which time. In Plumbing terms we call it a T Valve or a L Valve IIRC, but 3 way valves are pretty unusual in plumbing, only used them in making up fuel transfer rigs TBH. @V8Druid will be along to tell me I am wrong I am sure.

 

[craig]

AFAIA open centre and open offset just means which port is open at which time. In Plumbing terms we call it a T Valve or a L Valve IIRC, but 3 way valves are pretty unusual in plumbing, only used them in making up fuel transfer rigs TBH. @V8Druid will be along to tell me I am wrong I am sure.


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Open centre hydraulics, the pump is constantly pumping the full flow of oil around at minimal pressure, closed centre the pump builds the pressure with minimal flow, and almost goes into stand by until a valve is opened and then pump will increase the flow.

 

[Storrsy]

Open centre hydraulics, the pump is constantly pumping the full flow of oil around at minimal pressure, closed centre the pump builds the pressure with minimal flow, and almost goes into stand by until a valve is opened and then pump will increase the flow.

That's what I gleaned .from reading up on It earlier but couldnt really see why a 3 way diverter valve would either been one or the other?

 

[V8Druid]

That's what I gleaned .from reading up on It earlier but couldnt really see why a 3 way diverter valve would either been one or the other?

it wouldn't .... in default position it'll be supplying the 'original' service -- in switched/activated it'll be supplying your new service in whichever direction is selected - P to A, B to T or P to B, A to T
or of course you can default to your new service and switch to the original .. depends which is gonna get the most use, or you favour ... can be either momentary or latched switching