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Monkeybusiness

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And the current gr sport is soo bl**dy uncomfortable. The one I drive seems well built. The body work doesn't bend when you lean on it like some modern pickups.
But the ergonomic aspects are really poor. It's invincible spec and my wife's pretty standard spec Kia Sportage is a thousand times better for things like the radio and cab controls
They do feel solid, and stand up to the odd knocks etc. But the layout of the controls/switches etc is absolutely abysmal. I accidentally open the bonnet every time I get fuel, it’s impossible to know which heated seat you are turning on, the buttons around the radio/infotainment screen are nonsensical - it is as though they kept thinking of options to fit and then struggled to find space to put the switches.
 
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Lancs Lad

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They do feel solid, and stand up to the odd knocks etc. But the layout of the controls/switches etc is absolutely abysmal. I accidentally open the bonnet every time I get fuel, it’s impossible to know which heated seat you are turning on, the buttons around the radio/infotainment screen are nonsensical - it is as though they kept thinking of options to fit and then struggled to find space to put the switches.
I'd have bought one if new rok hadnt arrived but the Hilux is well outdated now. As much as I love their capability off-road after spending 2 weeks in one in NZ..it felt very dated
 
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DaveDCB

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They do feel solid, and stand up to the odd knocks etc. But the layout of the controls/switches etc is absolutely abysmal. I accidentally open the bonnet every time I get fuel, it’s impossible to know which heated seat you are turning on, the buttons around the radio/infotainment screen are nonsensical - it is as though they kept thinking of options to fit and then struggled to find space to put the switches.
Hahaha I used to do that all the time, my bonnet lever has a lot more resistance so get so far before realising it’s the other one 🤪
 
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Brendan

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I had a drive in my mates brand new ranger on Tuesday and I've got to say I bloody love it. Powerful, comfy, roomy- as you'd expect given the size of it, although it really didn't feel too big on the road. Loads of toys if you like that sort of thing.
Massive improvement over my 21 plate ranger or his 21 hilux.
But-
60k!!!!🙈🙈🙈🤢
On paper its only a little wider but in reality, mine is got to be 3-4" wider on each side. I use to be able to see the side of my tipper in the wing mirrors and the gh1054 the mud guards would stick out, on the new one I cant see the sides of the gh1054 mudguards
 
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Smiffy

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I think Hilux are in a pretty safe position atm trading on their reputation. They do still seem well built and the 10 year warranty is definitely very good. I know it is not all encompassing but is definitely a good piece of mind and also says a lot about the faith Toyota have in their products as it could very easily bankrupt a company, especially when you look at the navara snapped chassis scandal.
 
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Brendan

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The 10 yr warrenty is a brilliant sales tact! I kept mine so long just because of it!
Is it still the same with commercials where you can get service done at Toyota and they give you a years warranty on vehicle less than 10 years and under 100k. Probably a lot not covered but always amazed they offered it
 
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DaveDCB

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Is it still the same with commercials where you can get service done at Toyota and they give you a years warranty on vehicle less than 10 years and under 100k. Probably a lot not covered but always amazed they offered it
Yeah that’s what I did, even after I serviced it myself for afew years they still offered the warrenty with a service - only exception was anything found amiss in the first return service wasn’t covered(fair enough).
 
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Smiffy

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Why’s the hilux invincible £36k but the new rok/ranger is £58k?

Invincible is actually quite low spec. The 2.8 is an option in it. Sat nav is optional car play for your phone might be optional might just not be available mine doesn't have it. Manual fabric seats with no heating or cooling, single zone climate control, no heating to back of the cab. Poor speakers. No reverse sensors, the camera is rear facing only and the lines don't move as you turn the wheels. Whole list of other things. My work truck is invincible, my boss has the gr sport, apart from him having a bigger engine my truck is a far nicer place to be as, as others have said his is to crammed with buttons in stupid places and the seat in the invincible goes nearly a foot further back. The gr sport is about as cramped as a fiat 500.
I want a truck of my own as I sold my l200 and I will only be looking at icon's or invincible's. Or maybe a dmax as the base model has cruise control and auto box which is all I'm really worried about.
 
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hiluxman

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Out of every truck I've had the hilux has never won a speed or comfort race but its win the reliability race hands down. I've had mk4 to mk8 hiluxs. Father had mk2 onwards.

I've had navaras d22 d40, rangers mk1,2 and 3, currently got a dmax still on fleet. Not had an l200 but I've mates with them.

Hilux is dependable, Yes others drive nicer but bar an issue with a mk5 hilux all the other manufactures have given grief. Currently the d max has electrical issues. Fortunately the disco4 saved the day.

One things for sure, you can't say I haven't physically tried other stuff out myself, so at least you get my honest answer.🤪
 
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Monkeybusiness

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Out of every truck I've had the hilux has never won a speed or comfort race but its win the reliability race hands down. I've had mk4 to mk8 hiluxs. Father had mk2 onwards.

I've had navaras d22 d40, rangers mk1,2 and 3, currently got a dmax still on fleet. Not had an l200 but I've mates with them.

Hilux is dependable, Yes others drive nicer but bar an issue with a mk5 hilux all the other manufactures have given grief. Currently the d max has electrical issues. Fortunately the disco4 saved the day.

One things for sure, you can't say I haven't physically tried other stuff out myself, so at least you get my honest answer.🤪
Navaras were/are my favourite - my last one was the new shape pre-adblue and it was the best truck I’ve had to date.
I gave £36k plus vat for my Invincible X with an NFU discount - no way could I bring myself to spend more than that on any pickup (I am still disappointed with myself for being so extravagant!).
 
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Lancs Lad

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Out of every truck I've had the hilux has never won a speed or comfort race but its win the reliability race hands down. I've had mk4 to mk8 hiluxs. Father had mk2 onwards.

I've had navaras d22 d40, rangers mk1,2 and 3, currently got a dmax still on fleet. Not had an l200 but I've mates with them.

Hilux is dependable, Yes others drive nicer but bar an issue with a mk5 hilux all the other manufactures have given grief. Currently the d max has electrical issues. Fortunately the disco4 saved the day.

One things for sure, you can't say I haven't physically tried other stuff out myself, so at least you get my honest answer.🤪
Agree on dependable👍....plus the stuff I've seen stock luxs do on AT tyres is impressive
 
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DaveDCB

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Toyota really really need to put out a decent power engine , for the Hilux and Land Cruiser, they are surely loosing such a big market by not doing so!
Defenders have just last week been given the D350 engine from the Range Rover, will make it an absolute animal - ignoring the petrol variants!
 
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Brendan

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Toyota really really need to put out a decent power engine , for the Hilux and Land Cruiser, they are surely loosing such a big market by not doing so!
Defenders have just last week been given the D350 engine from the Range Rover, will make it an absolute animal - ignoring the petrol variants!
Toyota's thing has always been under powered motors, nice way to keep things reliable rather than trying to squeeze 205 ps or whatever the bhp figure is out of a 2.0 4 pot. The 2.8 Hilux lump is similar figures to ford's 2.0 but will last a lot longer and that's before the wet belt shits itself
 
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6feetdown

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Invincible is actually quite low spec. The 2.8 is an option in it. Sat nav is optional car play for your phone might be optional might just not be available mine doesn't have it. Manual fabric seats with no heating or cooling, single zone climate control, no heating to back of the cab. Poor speakers. No reverse sensors, the camera is rear facing only and the lines don't move as you turn the wheels. Whole list of other things. My work truck is invincible, my boss has the gr sport, apart from him having a bigger engine my truck is a far nicer place to be as, as others have said his is to crammed with buttons in stupid places and the seat in the invincible goes nearly a foot further back. The gr sport is about as cramped as a fiat 500.
I want a truck of my own as I sold my l200 and I will only be looking at icon's or invincible's. Or maybe a dmax as the base model has cruise control and auto box which is all I'm really worried about.
Cruise for me to
 
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DaveDCB

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Toyota's thing has always been under powered motors, nice way to keep things reliable rather than trying to squeeze 205 ps or whatever the bhp figure is out of a 2.0 4 pot. The 2.8 Hilux lump is similar figures to ford's 2.0 but will last a lot longer and that's before the wet belt shits itself
Bring back the 3.0 L (but as a straight or v6) but make a 300hp version… done! That’s hardly squeezing anything by modern day standards

* seems they do a 300hp engine, but must be for other parts of the world & wont put it in the Hilux 🙁

 
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Smiffy

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Bring back the 3.0 L (but as a straight or v6) but make a 300hp version… done! That’s hardly squeezing anything by modern day standards

* seems they do a 300hp engine, but must be for other parts of the world & wont put it in the Hilux 🙁


To be entirely honest why do we need so much horse power.
I use to tow 3.5t with my mk2 ranger at 110hp less whatever had escaped over the years. Plenty of defenders and discoverys still trundling around with similar horse power. And tbh I think they tow at a safe speed. My "gutless" 2.4 Hilux will get you in plenty of trouble with a trailer on.

Whilst it's quite fun driving things like disco 5's with 300hp it's a bit unnecessary.
 
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