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[Simon edwards]

Not at the minute Vin, but potentially a bit later in the year as we might have to add a larger machine to the fleet.If so I will offer it up here first.

 

[Storrsy]

It is . He’s looking at that Volvo ec27c that you or was it 6 feet posted . The buckets are scabby but the machine itself is pretty square and less than 2K hours

Check the boom on the EC27c. You'll notice on this one that it's been plated just where the weld is on the bend in the boom. Think it was this era of Volvo that had a thing for cracking on the boom ..

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[V8Druid]

Check the boom on the EC27c. You'll notice on this one that it's been plated just where the weld is on the bend in the boom. Think it was this era of Volvo that had a thing for cracking on the boom ..

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can see why too, looking at the top of the boom ram position

 

[Storrsy]

can see why too, looking at the top of the boom ram position

Yeah, alot of stress exerted on that weld isn't there when the boom ram extends. Poor design- how the hell do people who get paid to do nothing but come up with the best design they can manage to f**k it up so spectacularly!

 

[Vinpetrol]

can see why too, looking at the top of the boom ram position

Would this put you off buying or would you be happy enough if the repair was good?

 

[Storrsy]

Would this put you off buying or would you be happy enough if the repair was good?

The one I linked to initially from capitol plant hasn't been plated to clarify. Only the cheaper one down in Truro.

 

[Storrsy]

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But more money but newer model, different boom design and actually slightly lighter for towing than the "C"

 

[Storrsy]

One thing I really like about the EC27d is the tracks are quite a bit wider than the door side of the cab, provides a nice step down for those with geriatric/problematic knees!

 

[JerryRtilt]

One thing I really like about the EC27d is the tracks are quite a bit wider than the door side of the cab, provides a nice step down for those with geriatric/problematic knees!

I think it was actually designed for me have to really watch getting in and out of a different machine

 

[Pedrod355]

Would this put you off buying or would you be happy enough if the repair was good?

Just get your mate to dig deeper in his pocket

 

[Vinpetrol]

Just get your mate to dig deeper in his pocket

I've been trying Ped ! He just doesn't want the tilty

 

[Lurch]

Hired a few machines off sdw just up the road from me ,good firm to deal with

 

[Storrsy]

£20k with five buckets and the hydraulic hitch.

Of course. Try to zoom in on the showroom photo- an absolutely insane amount of stock! I was seriously impressed. View attachment 57842View attachment 57843

Have they put a smaller engine in your bobcat now? Had a txt from localish ag dealer to say they are now the bobcat dealer for these parts- mildly more attractive now than the other lot up near Oxford
Just looking at the specs for the E27 (not z) and it's says 1261cc engine- thought it was bigger than that- also surprised how heavy it all becomes by the time you add additional counterweight and steel tracks...

 

[doobin]

Have they put a smaller engine in your bobcat now? Had a txt from localish ag dealer to say they are now the bobcat dealer for these parts- mildly more attractive now than the other lot up near Oxford
Just looking at the specs for the E27 (not z) and it's says 1261cc engine- thought it was bigger than that- also surprised how heavy it all becomes by the time you add additional counterweight and steel tracks...

No, it's always been the Kubota D1305 at 18.3kw. The next step up is the V1505, which is a four cylinder and commonly used downtuned to 26hp in Multione and Avant loaders where there is a good amount more room in the engine bay. I think the only change in my new model is the digital dash- which is exactly the same as the old dash, just digital! Maybe telematrics too.

When I bought the first E27 (my first 2.7t) it was on the shortlist because it was just under the 26hp limit, along with the KX30 and maybe something else. All other machines at the time were around 20hp and I knew that power is where it's at for Arb work. I've posted the current Bobcat specs below- you will see that they all run the same pump, the 27 just does things faster. It tracks faster, and the rams fill faster which means it lifts faster.

Yes, it does get heavy, but heavy is good! It ends up weighing similar to a TB230 but on paper has more power, breakout and pushing force. No idea if that's true but as CBL can't be arsed to give me a price never mind a demo I won't get to find out either... All I know is that the E27 has been absolutely ideal for my jobs.

The E27Z used to use the Kubota D1105, but they as well as the E10, E17 and E19 have recently switched to Yanmar. This should be an improvement for the 17 and 19, which were lacking in horsepower with the same Kubota D722 engine as the E10, just revving to the max. The specs are now a couple of hp more for those two which would improve the tracking.

 

[doobin]

Oh- and I got them to swap a cloth seat from an e27z into my new e27!! It’s supposed to be fitted as part of the ‘comfort’ pack which is basically the joystick rollers. But wasn’t on my old one.

 

[Storrsy]

No, it's always been the Kubota D1305 at 18.3kw. The next step up is the V1505, which is a four cylinder and commonly used downtuned to 26hp in Multione and Avant loaders where there is a good amount more room in the engine bay. I think the only change in my new model is the digital dash- which is exactly the same as the old dash, just digital! Maybe telematrics too.

When I bought the first E27 (my first 2.7t) it was on the shortlist because it was just under the 26hp limit, along with the KX30 and maybe something else. All other machines at the time were around 20hp and I knew that power is where it's at for Arb work. I've posted the current Bobcat specs below- you will see that they all run the same pump, the 27 just does things faster. It tracks faster, and the rams fill faster which means it lifts faster.

Yes, it does get heavy, but heavy is good! It ends up weighing similar to a TB230 but on paper has more power, breakout and pushing force. No idea if that's true but as CBL can't be arsed to give me a price never mind a demo I won't get to find out either... All I know is that the E27 has been absolutely ideal for my jobs.

The E27Z used to use the Kubota D1105, but they as well as the E10, E17 and E19 have recently switched to Yanmar. This should be an improvement for the 17 and 19, which were lacking in horsepower with the same Kubota D722 engine as the E10, just revving to the max. The specs are now a couple of hp more for those two which would improve the tracking.



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Yeah stacks up well on paper.
Did you ever try a KX027-4 for comparison? That has the V1505 1498cc putting out 24hp. Decent lump really- almost makes me want to buy one before they "upgrade" it with a 1.1. the way things are going I think diggers will only get shitter

 

[doobin]

Yeah stacks up well on paper.
Did you ever try a KX027-4 for comparison? That has the V1505 1498cc putting out 24hp. Decent lump really- almost makes me want to buy one before they "upgrade" it with a 1.1. the way things are going I think diggers will only get shitter

On paper look great, and with potential to ‘turn it up a bit’ (might be useful for climbing steep hills). But in fairness the bobcat never feels slow even loaded, and more than one person has said to me that the kubotas are a bit slow. Add to that the rep not getting back for me and i didn’t look much harder at them.

 

[Gunners]

Since we are playing top trumps...
The 8026 has a perkins 1.5L lump putting out 18.4KW and 96lbf ft of torque. It has more dipper breakout (although interestingly not bucket? Irrelevant for timber work anyway ) More Aux flow, more weight built in so no need for any additional counterweight, more slew speed so faster cycle times and therefore more productive. The JCB 8026 was the best 2.8tonner you could buy and will be sorely missed. Its replacement has a lot to live up to and as others have said, productivity doesn't seem to be top of the list of requirements these days for manufacturers.

 

[doobin]

Since we are playing top trumps...
The 8026 has a perkins 1.5L lump putting out 18.4KW and 96lbf ft of torque. It has more dipper breakout (although interestingly not bucket? Irrelevant for timber work anyway ) More Aux flow, more weight built in so no need for any additional counterweight, more slew speed so faster cycle times and therefore more productive. The JCB 8026 was the best 2.8tonner you could buy and will be sorely missed. Its replacement has a lot to live up to and as others have said, productivity doesn't seem to be top of the list of requirements these days for manufacturers.

But more slew speed with less torque is no use for timber work….

If the 8026 was still available and they’d made it easy to have twin aux, I’d have gone for a play in one. But at £36k I’m not jumping in to a brand new model of machine when what I have is as near to perfect for me work as I could imagine.

 

[Gunners]

But more slew speed with less torque is no use for timber work….

Who says it has more or less torque?
I challenge you to a dual. Gladiators style with pugil sticks on the end of the machines
Who's from Newcastle on here that can be the referee?