Druidfab Variable Angle Rotator (VA-r) .. a bit of a project

Mick-the-fitter

Mick-the-fitter

It’s what I do!
well initially Mick I was too rough to do much more than sit about and try to recover ..
went from 13.5 stone to under ten in ten days ..
looked like a Biafran for months so didn't really feel up to much. Plus I was back and fore having testing done and then fighting to get treated ....
kept me focused for a while. Also did lots about the place as I started to feel more like I should.
New drainage - JakieB kept me sane - dug, then laid the foundations for and built an 80+m retaining wall in twin skin 9" hollows, down the side of the drive - very slowly - a block was about all I could manage to lift. lots of landscaping, etc.
Also had to start clearing and selling my workshop and equipment - spent a lot of time canvassing dealers I used to do biz with, trying to drum up interest.
Did miss it all though
So would I miss it, all I’ve ever done (plant fitting)
 
V8Druid

V8Druid

do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
slept well most nights after days on this lot .... kept me mind on other things @Mick-the-fitter
first and second pic .. rock right in the trench line - took some breaking out ...
first pic the telephone line that was supposed to be the other side of the drive according to Openreach and 4" below the surface :mad:
the drain captures all the run off, off the field
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V8Druid

V8Druid

do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
kids have gone early ... Clara off to a school play ... so ...... to continue ...
pinion and spigot back in and packed
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clean worm and crown ready to get popped in next
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pinion copiously greased
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to go back in its clean bearing race
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then the housing got well and truly stuffed
then made a serious error and put the crown wheel in the wrong way up :mad:
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the two tapped holes for extracting it are on the underside so called upon the services of two expanding body bolts in those two plain holes and fortunately they pulled it back off so I could.....
put it back in the right way up :giggle:
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fit the outer bearing and pack it all
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also installed a grease nipple in a blanking plug in the wall of the crown wheel housing and made sure this blanking plug would co-operate for the periodic installation of a grease nipple in the worm's housing ... didn't want to leave one in there as a very vulnerable position for a nipple ... just screw one in as and when required .... and pumped a load more gresae in its tube
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then whilst it was all accessible and in bits created a grease wall to keep grease in the slew ring/pinion run way
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not bad for a free hand circle over the bench edge/anvil beak .... and installed ....
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less than a mil clearance between its edge and the lower plate.....
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gave everything a good dose of grease and dropped the top (bottom) back on
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forgot to put a couple of tapped holes in the plate for a couple of nipples to pump more grease in there, so must've pulled it off again and got them sorted, together with the aux outlet holes
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and fitted some bulkhead adaptors, stepped elbows and FF QCs ready for the feed hoses
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have since changed the nipples for flat type ... less vulnerable
 
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V8Druid

V8Druid

do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
Water level ...? 😆😆😆😆Who you steal that off? Noah?
here you go -- you're obviously jealous of this low tech bit of kit and want one :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO: .. no more flat batteries and POP to set up (y):giggle::cool:
 
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Diggerdavey

Well-known member
kids have gone early ... Clara off to a school play ... so ...... to continue ...
pinion and spigot back in and packed
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clean worm and crown ready to get popped in next
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pinion copiously greased
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to go back in its clean bearing race
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then the housing got well and truly stuffed
then made a serious error and put the crown wheel in the wrong way up :mad:
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the two tapped holes for extracting it are on the underside so called upon the services of two expanding body bolts in those two plain holes and fortunately they pulled it back off so I could.....
put it back in the right way up :giggle:
View attachment 54764 fit the outer bearing and pack it all View attachment 54765
also installed a grease nipple in a blanking plug in the wall of the crown wheel housing and made sure this blanking plug would co-operate for the periodic installation of a grease nipple in the worm's housing ... didn't want to leave one in there as a very vulnerable position for a nipple ... just screw one in as and when required .... and pumped a load more gresae in its tube
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then whilst it was all accessible and in bits created a grease wall to keep grease in the slew ring/pinion run way
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not bad for a free hand circle over the bench edge/anvil beak .... and installed ....
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less than a mil clearance between its edge and the lower plate.....
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gave everything a good dose of grease and dropped the top (bottom) back on
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forgot to put a couple of tapped holes in the plate for a couple of nipples to pump more grease in there, so must've pulled it off again and got them sorted, together with the aux outlet holes
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and fitted some bulkhead adaptors, stepped elbows and FF QCs ready for the feed hoses View attachment 54775

have since changed the nipples for flat type ... less vulnerable
Fair play to you for admitting the crown wheel error. No one would ever have known. Mark of the man who admits his own mistakes imho. Great thread. Very impressed with creating your own tilt rotator
 
V8Druid

V8Druid

do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
back the right way up then ....
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couple of bits of braided fuel hose as cushions for the rotary couplings drive bolts
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new bolts for the drives and the lower half fixings ... rotary ready to go in ... siliconed a thin plastic cover on the top of the rotary ..... keep the weather off it
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and in it went ... drives lock nutted to the body

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popped the lid back on the crown wheel housing with the loom attached
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and dropped the hyd. manifold back in
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plumbed the P & T lines for orientation, for later and the tilt feed lines are easier with out the top half in the way
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getting tighter in there

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was now going to need some more flexi rubbery bits ..... so back in the trailer for a n other trip to the lads in Fast Fluid ...
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no good trying to size these up with gash hoses
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tight spot to get 'em into and get right
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back again and out onto the bench
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V8Druid

V8Druid

do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
Fair play to you for admitting the crown wheel error. No one would ever have known. Mark of the man who admits his own mistakes imho. Great thread. Very impressed with creating your own tilt rotator
cheers Davey .. you're right, but "the man who's never made a mistake has never done anything " as they say and made a few in me time :rolleyes: :giggle: .. rectifying them or getting round them is all part of the challenge too ;)
 
V8Druid

V8Druid

do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
on the bench
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and popped these on .... had 'gash fitted' these
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grabbed the top half ......

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and pinned it back on

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picked it up and tilted it to one side (with a large bar) to assist in accessing the guts/plumbing
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and attached the feed hoses for the tilt ram Tees

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and decided that sticking with the 3/8" rubber was not gonna work well and needed to be shorter (marks on hoses), so had some fresh ones made up in 1/4" ... had reducers on the tees anyway as the tilt ram hoses were/are 1/4" as were the tees ... the 3/8 were so stiff I ran the risk of them slacking themselves off on the tees
fresh rubber acquired ...
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with a 3/8th fitting one end for the manifold's adapters ..... have since made use of bot the 3/8th hoses ... one on me fork mast base supply line, long time ago and one on little Jake's 6x2 diverter this year for the Haner's installation:giggle::giggle:
much better, tidier and more flexible fit - still has the inline rotary unions in place on the manifold to let them swivel with the lower as it tilts
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then ... fitted a few temporary lines
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for a wet trial :giggle::giggle:
 
V8Druid

V8Druid

do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
I don't think that anyone has ever seen this before ... just uploaded it to 'the tube' ... IIRC it is in my Photobucket, but don't know as it's ever been viewed/played -- terrible playback for vid.s on 'bucket


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forgot to say that it will multi function but I needed one hand to hold the phone, so each motion got operated separately whilst I swapped hands to hold it :rolleyes::giggle::giggle:
 
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Monkeybusiness

Well-known member
I don't think that anyone has ever seen this before ... just uploaded it to 'the tube' ... IIRC it is in my Photobucket, but don't know as it's ever been viewed/played -- terrible playback for vid.s on 'bucket
It must have been a great feeling seeing it ‘alive’ for the first time - incredible planning and execution sir!
 
V8Druid

V8Druid

do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
It must have been a great feeling seeing it ‘alive’ for the first time - incredible planning and execution sir!
grin factor eleven'd probably be a good description :giggle::giggle: :giggle: .. or elation ...

few more things to be said about the vid ... was being 'oiled' very tentatively by my left foot .. will rotate a lot quicker, same with the tilt ... plus I had 700mm of travel on those rams (unfettered) I only needed IIRC circa 600-ish .. going too far would have been disastrous so again great care taken not to over cook things ... you'll see how I got round that shortly ;):)

but yeh was mega-chuffed it worked first try ...... and no leaks (y):cool:
may not be the prettiest, but does all it's supposed to - and a bit more - 'bout 15 degs either way :giggle::giggle:
 
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V8Druid

V8Druid

do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
so .... it worked ... now to finesse it a bit more :giggle:
I had more ram travel than I needed or could live with so had to create some stops to prevent it destroying itself by over stroking ..... as Mog said at the time, having seen my slightly Heath remedy ... should have stripped the cylinders and put some travel stops in the bottoms of the cylinders, but had no lathe at the time and nothing really suitable to create them with .. but I did have this :rolleyes:

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and a little cunning
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and now I a, gonna have to find the pix to show you what I did with 'em .....
in the meantime this obviously got done then too
spiral wrapped my loom as really didn't want any disasters befalling the MkIII loom :giggle:
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and a sleeve over the main control lead
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wouldn't want anything disastrous happening to that either ... all these leads were pretty crammed into a space that was going to get a lot tighter as things progressed

next up.. according to the piicy's date stamps were the tilt ram hoses ... got them secured .... you saw the clips arrive a while back
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stainless pipe clamps bolted down, followed by stainless ties with a self setting ball grip system ... would be a bitch to get back off, but wanted them to stay put -- which they have
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V8Druid

V8Druid

do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
Mog's ring idea to pass my feed/return hoses through .. have to admit I've never tried to get the multiplug through one - just use a carabiner to keep the control lead out of harm's way .. would have to 'wangled' and don't think it'd (a) go and (b) be worth risking damaging the cable where it enters the plug .. it works as is

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belt and braces on the spiral wrap front ... went for it to provide max protection
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and wrapped one of the tilt tee hoses where it's in close proximity to a wear point at the base against the rotate motor's hoses
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end of April '15 we had one hell of a wild day - and even worse night
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.. as this was no longer welded to the metre square plate I'd used to keep it stable, I strapped it to the bench ... would've cried if it'd gotten blown over in the night and it had a very small footprint to sit on ... so couple of days later I made this
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rather than tie up a couple of 70 mil pins, I had quite a few 65mm pins sat about, so utilised a couple of them .... and it made it easier to line up without being too fussy/accurate
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the 70s fitted and aligned ok - these were just a lot easier ;):giggle:(y)

remember these?
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it'd been a very dry month so had been busy on other things, including digging a lot of spoil out of my bank, so the VA-r'd been on the back burner .. but looks like I'd been rained off (slightest rain here and the ground turns to shite ) :( so got these out
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I'd made a coupe of these previously - but wasn't happy with the way they'd turned out - holed them, before splitting them and made the hole way too tight for the job, so'd binned them off and gone again :rolleyes: .. these were as intended (y)

and that is it for tonight ;):)
 
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Tintan28

Well-known member
I don't think that anyone has ever seen this before ... just uploaded it to 'the tube' ... IIRC it is in my Photobucket, but don't know as it's ever been viewed/played -- terrible playback for vid.s on 'bucket


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forgot to say that it will multi function but I needed one hand to hold the phone, so each motion got operated separately whilst I swapped hands to hold it :rolleyes::giggle::giggle:
Absolutely dumbfounded, an amazing bit of individual design & fabrication!! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
 
V8Druid

V8Druid

do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
bit of a trial on a gash ram rod I used to use in the lathe for rolling rings out of round bar ..
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then prep the VA-r rams to take the spacers which literally simply sit on the rods .. the curtain placcy and ties stop it riding up/flopping/sliding about

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tow halves separated and ready to install
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and clamped in position
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.... rod with some tape around it ..keep any spatter off it and helped by

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half of a rejected collar
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and welded:giggle:

the pair in place and fixed
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and a coat of Firwood's finest ......... you all know what the colour is by now :ROFLMAO:
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next on the agenda was keeping the tish out of the guts .... couple of templates required
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transfered to polycarb sheet and went and used my old metre hand folder that Richard (ex employee) bought off me when he set up on his own ...
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then some half inch nylon for gap filling
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V8Druid

V8Druid

do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
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shot here of the spacers doing their job on max tilt either way
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you'll notice I'd changed the Aux. QC's set up ... much easier to make a connection that way
and full tilt left/right - with no danger of wrecking anything, over-stroking
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...
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'digging weather' followed on from here and a couple of other 'projects/fab jobs' got time devoted to them at the end of May '15, according to the pix files ..... was weighing one of them when I obviously put the VA-r on the scales at the same time ...... dead on 500kgs
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this was the other item weighed
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my dipper mounted fork mast :giggle::giggle:
looks like I got myself some dedicated hoses made up for it at the end of June ... together with some plumbing for the other projects too
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T line, still on ISO A,s there .. now on FFs each end having changed the screw ISO A,s on the dipper and the ISO A,s on the VA-r .... hose rings in all their glory :giggle:and did make another set to go on the dipper just after the QC,s
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and P line with control lead
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and for those who've not seen the mast:giggle:
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no tree was safe after that got created .. :giggle::giggle::LOL:
 
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V8Druid

V8Druid

do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
How on earth do you ever find anyone brave enough to go up in the tree slayer ? 😄
my BIL's been up in it .. took an oak down from the top down ... says it's fine .. better than any cherry picker he's ever been up in ... like standing on solid ground .... I haven't found anyone to op. the 'Drema to give it a try :rolleyes:
think I'd rather that than a man basket on a crane .. they do bounce about :giggle:
 
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