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[Gecko]

The 206 had a 4 cylinder Deutz, the 212 had a 5 cylinder. Night and day regarding smoothness.

Inline 4's and 6's balance perfectly on the primary balance, but 5's are naturally unbalanced on both the primary and secondary giving them an inherent rocking couple that is normally solved with counter-rotating balance shaft/s. Once you add balance shafts, you can fix a lot of problems.
One significant advantage of "greater than 4" cylinders it the overlap of the power stroke giving a smoother power delivery.

Engine balance - Wikipedia

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Straight-five engine - Wikipedia

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[Lancs Lad]

So last Friday place next door to us shut shop due to powercut and sent lads home early..
Monday morning there's a 500KVA Genny hooked up...they make plastic conservatory stuff.
Turns out their supply cable is buggered but...someone built a coldstore on top of it...
So had contractor and ENWL in today can we block your driveway? why...we've got to run a complete new feed from different substation...when you starting ? This afternoon... 20k and counting

 

[Bri963]

Inline 4's and 6's balance perfectly on the primary balance, but 5's are naturally unbalanced on both the primary and secondary giving them an inherent rocking couple that is normally solved with counter-rotating balance shaft/s. Once you add balance shafts, you can fix a lot of problems.
One significant advantage of "greater than 4" cylinders it the overlap of the power stroke giving a smoother power delivery.

Not quite right, Gecko. 4’s are unbalanced in the reciprocating plane, and the normal way of countering is with balance mass forged into the crankshaft, a heavy flywheel, a balance shaft (some of the older Cat 4’s), or in Perkins 1000 & Darwin’s, a combined oil pump and twin balance weights. In the reciprocating plane 5’s have perfect balance and rotational imbalance in the rotational plane is taken out by the overlap in the power stroke.

 

[Bri963]

Not staged or set up, someone at work genuinely thought this was fitted correctly. I fear for the future.

 

[6feetdown]

View attachment 51441Not staged or set up, someone at work genuinely thought this was fitted correctly. I fear for the future.

But!
Show them if they acknowledge their mistake that's good as we all need to learn

 

[Bri963]

if it was a youngster I’d agree.

 

[Left hooker]

Inline 4's and 6's balance perfectly on the primary balance, but 5's are naturally unbalanced on both the primary and secondary giving them an inherent rocking couple that is normally solved with counter-rotating balance shaft/s. Once you add balance shafts, you can fix a lot of problems.
One significant advantage of "greater than 4" cylinders it the overlap of the power stroke giving a smoother power delivery.

Engine balance - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Straight-five engine - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Wasn't that Volvo's sales pitch with a 50p on edge on the top of the engine showing how quiet and balanced the 5 pot was

 

[Gecko]

Not quite right, Gecko. 4’s are unbalanced in the reciprocating plane, and the normal way of countering is with balance mass forged into the crankshaft, a heavy flywheel, a balance shaft (some of the older Cat 4’s), or in Perkins 1000 & Darwin’s, a combined oil pump and twin balance weights. In the reciprocating plane 5’s have perfect balance and rotational imbalance in the rotational plane is taken out by the overlap in the power stroke.

I'll get back to on that - I'll need to dig out a text book

 

[V8Druid]

Audi's 5 pot petrol was turbine smooth .. a lovely engine to drive and go

 

[V8Druid]

if it was a youngster I’d agree.

View attachment 51441Not staged or set up, someone at work genuinely thought this was fitted correctly. I fear for the future.

so they've not done their abrasive wheels course then Bri ?? if they have, WTF are they doing with a grinder in their hand ?

 

[Smiffy]

so they've not done their abrasive wheels course then Bri ?? if they have, WTF are they doing with a grinder in their hand ?

Could be that they have done abrasive wheels and been told sticker out. Like it is with cutting disks. And blindly followed the rules without thinking

 

[Lancs Lad]

Could be that they have done abrasive wheels and been told sticker out. Like it is with cutting disks. And blindly followed the rules without thinking

Or tried bevelling

 

[V8Druid]

Or tried bevelling

most 4/4.5" 'd pull down onto the guard that way up

 

[V8Druid]

Could be that they have done abrasive wheels and been told sticker out. Like it is with cutting disks. And blindly followed the rules without thinking

so the course didn't have much effect then ... DPCs are that shape for a reason

 

[Bri963]

most 4/4.5" 'd pull down onto the guard that way up

It did. Shone it up nicely.

 

[Bri963]

so they've not done their abrasive wheels course then Bri ?? if they have, WTF are they doing with a grinder in their hand ?

I think I mentioned one genius we employed that passed his forklift course at 12 and at 1 the same day parked a forklift across a walkway with the forks a foot in the air. Some people just will not engage with what they’re told.

 

[Smiffy]

so the course didn't have much effect then ... DPCs are that shape for a reason

I'm not joking though. This kind of thing is to common due to the ticket culture we have

 

[Smiffy]

I think I mentioned one genius we employed that passed his forklift course at 12 and at 1 the same day parked a forklift across a walkway with the forks a foot in the air. Some people just will not engage with what they’re told.

I worked with a bloke that would park the telehadler or tractor loader with the forks or bale spikes at head height outside the workshop pedestrian door every day. He was impossible to deal with

 

[V8Druid]

I worked with a bloke that would park the telehadler or tractor loader with the forks or bale spikes at head height outside the workshop pedestrian door every day. He was impossible to deal with

had an engine hanging off a sling on a fork once, steaming it off ... said to the mate with me "FFS watch that fork tip" ... had barely said it to him, before i could chuck a rag over it and he walked into it .. damned near scalped himself ... sharp fork tips for splitting packs of sheets/plates

 

[Bri963]

I worked with a bloke that would park the telehadler or tractor loader with the forks or bale spikes at head height outside the workshop pedestrian door every day. He was impossible to deal with

These are the sort of twats that opened the door for this card and “training” culture.