Running a HGV as a sideline to current business and associated paperwork.

jd6820

jd6820

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Hi all,

Just after a bit of advice and views on how those of you running trucks manage the working time directives and driving time when doing other work not in the wagon. I'm currently training for my practical test on C + E with the view to eventually putting a truck on the road. We sell quite a lot of hay and straw along with moving machines our own and customers from site to site and repairs. Currently done by other hauliers, pickup and trailer or tractor when we are on hay/straw locally. Costing quite a bit and very inconvenient to say the least especially as I get little notice and repair jobs can take longer than expected which messes up the hauliers, so putting our own truck on the road is the plan. Can do all six week inspections myself and any work for MOT's have a mate who's also a wagon mechanic and another who'll transport manage as they've enough capacity for another operation. The bit that's becoming evident in my CPC training is how the heck I'm suppose to log the many hours not spent driving the wagon i.e. workshop time/farming? The demos for using the digi card all show putting in any work hours before setting off. For me that could be a weeks worth of hours! Either that or write on analogue tacho disks. Can I ask how those of you who are in construction as a day job then using a wagon to move plant about or helping a mate out manage to log your time on the digi card without vast amounts of time spent before you can turn a wheel. The expense doesn't bother me as I value convenience and flexibility much higher and absolutely hate using the tractors for roadwork (strictly farm related) when I could use a truck instead carting twice as much in less time. Tractors are for fields not roads, can't understand those using them for haulage as the fuel economy is terrible and the tyre wear a fortune.

Any advice or tips would be much appreciated. :)
 
Quattromike

Quattromike

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This is something I've been struggling, the truck has not been used alot the beginning of this year and I find me jumping in having not driven it for a few weeks and have to get up to date with work time, rest time and time off. You'd think there would be an app or something to clock it all on but has to be on tacho card nowadays 🤔
 
jd6820

jd6820

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This is something I've been struggling, the truck has not been used alot the beginning of this year and I find me jumping in having not driven it for a few weeks and have to get up to date with work time, rest time and time off. You'd think there would be an app or something to clock it all on but has to be on tacho card nowadays 🤔
The best I could come up with was an app for VDO tachographs that could input all the data you give it when the card is first inserted but before it asks you to confirm the last activity carried out on the card. Looked like the best solution I could find. 🤷‍♂️

 
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Smiffy

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The best I could come up with was an app for VDO tachographs that could input all the data you give it when the card is first inserted but before it asks you to confirm the last activity carried out on the card. Looked like the best solution I could find. 🤷‍♂️


I have seen something about that to. Think you would need the latest tacho head fitted to work with it.
 
craig

craig

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Up until recently you could record non driving work in a diary or similar, but it has got changed to manual entries or official paper (old style disks, or print out paper)
Weeks where driving is done needs records for each 24hr period of that week, remembering once any tacho driving is done, the whole week falls under EU driving rules (breaks etc.)
Weeks with NO EU driving can be block recorded.
 
JD450A

JD450A

Feral as Fk 🐾
Buy a pre 2006 wagon with the paper discs.... you won't regret it and enables you just to logbook it.
I'd also look seriously at the exemptions and degregations available to you ;)
 
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DaveDCB

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Did I read correctly that under a certain % and hours you don’t need a tachometer? Or was I just reading what I wanted to see 😂
 
JD450A

JD450A

Feral as Fk 🐾
Did I read correctly that under a certain % and hours you don’t need a tachometer? Or was I just reading what I wanted to see 😂
No tachograph exemption, more to do with the CPC and when your classed as being a lorry driver.

I fall into this category, but proving it if stopped would require a trip to the magistrates court with my legal head on. I've not had a driver CPC since around 2017.... I'm not a lorry driver and use my lorry only in connection with my own jobs which are the income generation and the sole reason for having a lorry.

The entire shitshow wanted rewriting and simplifying with Brexit.
 
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DaveDCB

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The gov website explanation got me at ‘ take legal advice’ if you want to know wtf it all means!! 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️
 
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Justme

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If you only drive on tacho occasionally you can now use an attestation form to list the previous 28 days other work & rest days.
 
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Justme

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I'm not a lorry driver and use my lorry only in connection with my own jobs which are the income generation and the sole reason for having a lorry.
If within 100km radius & only carrying tools & equipment for your use then you could be Tacho exempt.
 
jd6820

jd6820

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Can you put a link up please as I only drive once a month at most
This is the best link I've found doesn't seem quite as easy as suggested but better than logging every single day including breaks. Think I'll end up with a pack or two or analogue tacho discs and fill them out like I would my diary. At least then it's fool proof. The AG exemption would allow us to run under GB Domestic hours but second I put a digger on the trailer its EU driving rules :rolleyes:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...er-work/drivers-hours-recording-of-other-work

I have also looked at the mobile workers 2005 act which seems unclear but maybe something that could be utilised?

Have also attached a copy of the attestation form that can be used in combination with digicard and analogue tacho discs to record block periods of non driving/ GB driving periods.
 

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Quattromike

Quattromike

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This is the best link I've found doesn't seem quite as easy as suggested but better than logging every single day including breaks. Think I'll end up with a pack or two or analogue tacho discs and fill them out like I would my diary. At least then it's fool proof. The AG exemption would allow us to run under GB Domestic hours but second I put a digger on the trailer its EU driving rules :rolleyes:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...er-work/drivers-hours-recording-of-other-work

I have also looked at the mobile workers 2005 act which seems unclear but maybe something that could be utilised?

Have also attached a copy of the attestation form that can be used in combination with digicard and analogue tacho discs to record block periods of non driving/ GB driving periods.
This is. The kind of thing I was thinking would be simple to keep but it seems to be lacking on records for 28 days previous to the day of driving. Not much different to a written record of working hours just less details of the working hours.
 
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DaveDCB

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Like Rory said, it’s a fecking minefield which needs simplicity!
I follow a lot of road police on Twitter and when they do big pull overs of HGV, only literary 1% go through as squeaky clean! Now until they sort the guys out who already do Cpc etc how the heck do they stand a chance with everyone else?!
Also I’m all for Agri to be put into HGV rules, the kit that is around nowadays is way beyond what the current rules were designed for! But it needs alot of clarification! For a start you cant even take a tractor & trailer into a test centre to do a test on!
 
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