sany getting serious

[sjs5060]

I understand your thought process. But if you come to shift it after a couple of years, it is still easier selling a main stream brand than a no name!! The gamble is, will it still be in one piece after 5 years!!

Yep that is indeed the gamble, which is why part of my negotiation’s buy 2 machines is having a 5 year warrant, if they’re serious about they’re products they’ll have to put their money where their mouth is.
But I probably am better informed about liugongs than most because of who I know, i also know of 2 very big (100 ton I think) ones and a 30 ton at local firms and the 30 ton especially is very well thought of on the deep drainage gang.

I’m going for a brew at liugong, I’m gonna drive the machines, I’ve enough knowledge/experience to have a good idea of the build quality. If I decide to buy them and it doesn’t work out I’ll take it on the chin, I’m big enough and daft enough to make my own assessment and I’ll live with the consequence.

Theres one thing, I don’t hide stuff so it’d give you lot on here a good laugh if it all went wrong

 

[V8Druid]

I understand your thought process. But if you come to shift it after a couple of years, it is still easier selling a main stream brand than a no name!! The gamble is, will it still be in one piece after 5 years!!

on the flip side Sany Liugong may well be 'mainstream' in 5 years

 

[sjs5060]

on the flip side Sany Liugong may well be 'mainstream' in 5 years

They certainly seem to have the money, they’ve some good design men (several ex jcb) on board and with every new range seem to sort issues and get better, theres no reason they couldn’t pickup market share as some of the other remain a bit complacent.

its alright spouting the Chinese argument, if I buy a new cat mini it’s made in china, so the argument is somewhat void as far as I’m concerned

Feck I’m being to sound like a liugong fan I’ll come on here tomorrow night and tell you how s**t they where

 

[Furniss]

Neuson isn't... give it a whirl.

 

[DaveDCB]

He used to praise them non stop on Facebook, wondered why he stopped

They broke and didn’t get fixed in a timely fashion, enough reason for a swap!
Everything breaks at somepoint it’s how it’s resolved that really matters! I’ve had plant go down out of warranty and still been repaired FOC and even given hire machines at no cost etc to keep me going! That’s how it should be done!

 

[TiltyShaun]

Yep that is indeed the gamble, which is why part of my negotiation’s buy 2 machines is having a 5 year warrant, if they’re serious about they’re products they’ll have to put their money where their mouth is.
But I probably am better informed about liugongs than most because of who I know, i also know of 2 very big (100 ton I think) ones and a 30 ton at local firms and the 30 ton especially is very well thought of on the deep drainage gang.

I’m going for a brew at liugong, I’m gonna drive the machines, I’ve enough knowledge/experience to have a good idea of the build quality. If I decide to buy them and it doesn’t work out I’ll take it on the chin, I’m big enough and daft enough to make my own assessment and I’ll live with the consequence.

Theres one thing, I don’t hide stuff so it’d give you lot on here a good laugh if it all went wrong

I like your openess!!
The good thing about this forum is the sharing of opinions. If you was a friend asking for advice, then didn’t take it, I would indeed have a laugh!!
For the record, many years ago, I purchased one of the first Daewoo excavators in the country. It wasn’t a bad experience.
My experience with Chinese hasn’t been that great with copy cat small generators and poor service back up. Hopefully these players are it it for a long haul!!

 

[pettsy]

They could also end up like Kato, offer the world then suddenly pull out of Uk market. You’re then left with no-one to honour any remaining warranty, along with future model specific parts supply.

What works for one, doesn’t for someone else. Dealer backup is important when buying something brand new. I had a new Dmax pickup, but a local dealer that wasn’t interested in sorting any problems so shortly before warranty expired I sold it on and wouldn’t have another from them on principle!

 

[Gunners]

Neuson isn't... give it a whirl.

Well everybody we have a new neuson rep!

I was impressed with the liugongs, especially their latest generation models that have received the European influence. And the pricing was very reasonable, with good spec.
Of all the Chinese manufacturers trying to push into the UK market, I think they are the best from what I’ve seen, but for me it’s not residential value that would bother me (I run JCB’s after all ) but backup that’s no1. No good having even the best machine without the backup, because as has already been said - they all break down.

Let us know how tomorrow goes

 

[Brendan]

I understand your thought process. But if you come to shift it after a couple of years, it is still easier selling a main stream brand than a no name!! The gamble is, will it still be in one piece after 5 years!!

Or are parts available

 

[Bri963]

they’ve some good design men (several ex jcb)

Hope they aren’t the same ones who designed the 55z

Seriously though, I’ve had a lot of time on a six tonne Liu Gong and I’ve said before on here, it was good in terms of build quality, price, balance, performance and I’d have no qualms about buying one if I was going to buy that size. Also had ten minutes in a thirty tonner and could see the attraction of that one as well.

 

[Left hooker]

Buy a Hitachi you will hardly put a spanner on them and back up is great if you ever need it

 

[Hg2702]

My mate had a week on a 210 and said it was awful, but ya pays ya money………

is now a good time to say I’ve nearly bought 2 new liugongs

Only spent half an hour on one after being intrigued by the price it was the 1.5 ton variant

Very fast but also very juddery ( is that a word ) and also wouldn’t start first time every time would shudder then go and the machine was barely at 50 hours old apparently they had the same issue with there other ones in the hire fleet so not a great first impression

However I can see the attraction with the price and a good spec

 

[doobin]

Only spent half an hour on one after being intrigued by the price it was the 1.5 ton variant

Very fast but also very juddery ( is that a word ) and also wouldn’t start first time every time would shudder then go and the machine was barely at 50 hours old apparently they had the same issue with there other ones in the hire fleet so not a great first impression

However I can see the attraction with the price and a good spec

I looked at a secondhand lui gong 1.9t with cab. Just felt so Chinese despite good spec on paper. Hardly any room in cab etc.

 

[Furniss]

Buy a Hitachi you will hardly put a spanner on them and back up is great if you ever need it

Bit like Kubota on spec though.

 

[Nick...]

With regards to parts pricing,John Deere list prices and availability for parts going back years.no issues earlier on in week looking for parts for my 25 year old 7710.if these Chinese companies are huge they could do the same.no need for poor parts supply.i know if I put an order in before 5 today for John Deere,new holland or claas I could collect the part from my dealer at half 7 tomorrow and I know it’s Saturday.
nick...

 

[Shovelhands]

Iirc the guy that’s talked about in the previous posts, had a new machine go down, couldn’t get parts, took ages etc. just all round awful service, which has led to him getting rid of said machine and buying a used machine from another manufacturer.
I’m not sure if if it was the same guy, but I also recall a story of someone with a circa 2016 Sany machine, might have been newer, certainly not old, that was told that it is now an obsolete model, therefore there are no parts available! If that is true and correct then Sany are not worth a wnak.
Once they realise the UK market is tiny by worldwide standards, then they will be gone.
They’d have to be offering the best machines, at the best prices, with the best parts support and dealer backup, to even gain a foothold on the uk market, even then it will be tiny for them and not worth the effort. Even if they could pull off the best of everything, they still won’t win over the majority of buyers of mainstream brands imo.

Personally I can’t see how there is room in the market here for any other brands, you already can’t count the mainstream brands on two hands! And even then you will forget a few! And most of them will be will established and all after the same market. Where is the room for other brands who can’t offer the same backup?

 

[sobitlama]

Thank you all for your help, I learned a lot of useful things.

 

[Lancs Lad]

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[V8Druid]

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who in their right mind is going to invest a HUGE chunk of wedge in that

 

[doobin]

who in their right mind is going to invest a HUGE chunk of wedge in that

A quarry who believe they can fix their cost of ownership over five years or whatever.