Furniss
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Horsepower plenty adequate on mine @ 290 but yep a splitter would make for a nicer drive at times.
hiluxman
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Only time I've seen an 8speed range change in 18tonners is when they have the bigger horse engines and they are few and far between. Can't say I've seen many with split on 18tonners if at all
Vinpetrol
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I’d of liked that lorry if it didn’t have the grab . What do you reckon it could carry in the box as it is ?
hiluxman
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Supposedly the crane on my truck weighs 1.5t and the grab bucket weighs 380kgs. It gives me a legal payload of 9.8t with around 420l of derv in tank. With half a tank I can get a full 10t on.
So surely it's got to be in the 6 to 7 ton range with a body on for that truck
V8Druid
do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
I was guessing 7.5 max .... 's got to be over 10t empty ..... 'tis nice though
JD450A
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I'd say 8t. Mine has quite a heavy crane and body and is legally good for 9. And most tipper grabs are around 8/9
If you went for it you would need to check the crane folds behind cab
If you went for it you would need to check the crane folds behind cab
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Smiffy
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Scanias tend to be 8 speed 18t much better than the 6 found in daf and iveco
Best I have driven was 26t with 410hp and 16 spee, it absolutely flew
If you are prepared to go up to that size chassis there are loads more options. 18t are way more common than 14-16t and. Also 26t on air will be the same size as 18t but actually have a smaller turning circle.
JD450A
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Trouble with going up sizes is your R&M costs alongside the Taxation skyrocket. The HGV Levy comes back next year and I expect that will push the Tax on the Hiab to around £1000 per year Vs under £300 for a 13 tonner.
Turning circles are dependent on wheelbase. Your right that a short 6x2 rear lift tractor unit type affair on air will turn tighter than a equal wheelbase 4x2, but you will find steering locks are the same and again the additional taxation on 26t is horrific for occasional use. You can down plate it but it's unlikely you will find one the right length in RoRo format as most 6x2's are built to carry the "standard" 8 legger size RoRo bin.
Other thing with 6x4's is you can do ALOT of damage if dealing with fag packet room, as the axles on some lorries will basically shift sideways when turning tight and unexpectedly ping out..... Hino's in particular are good for this.
Regarding Range change, it's unusual in the likes of the Daf LF, shift to a 18t CF and it's common but the bigger (Nicer) cab is a utter PITA on tight roads with trees etc. Scania don't make a truck under 18t (or never used to) so you get better heavier options...... same as the Mercs, there 7.5t offering of a lorry was always heavier then others but a much better built truck.
Turning circles are dependent on wheelbase. Your right that a short 6x2 rear lift tractor unit type affair on air will turn tighter than a equal wheelbase 4x2, but you will find steering locks are the same and again the additional taxation on 26t is horrific for occasional use. You can down plate it but it's unlikely you will find one the right length in RoRo format as most 6x2's are built to carry the "standard" 8 legger size RoRo bin.
Other thing with 6x4's is you can do ALOT of damage if dealing with fag packet room, as the axles on some lorries will basically shift sideways when turning tight and unexpectedly ping out..... Hino's in particular are good for this.
Regarding Range change, it's unusual in the likes of the Daf LF, shift to a 18t CF and it's common but the bigger (Nicer) cab is a utter PITA on tight roads with trees etc. Scania don't make a truck under 18t (or never used to) so you get better heavier options...... same as the Mercs, there 7.5t offering of a lorry was always heavier then others but a much better built truck.
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Smiffy
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It's a lot more money than the original
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Bri963
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Many moons ago when I was on for an agency, sometime in the late 80’s, I had a Scany for a few days, 24 tonne, 380 hoss with a bulk body and blower. 6x2, third axle lift,, it had a turning circle better than a 7.5 tonner with the axle up, absolutely flew. Even loaded it only needed half of the 16 gears. Story was they’d specked the engine for the big discharge blower and Scania would only supply it with the 16 speed box. I remember giving a lad in a 205 a surprise running empty away from a set of lights.
pettsy
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I know of a foden tractor unit stretched to a 6wheeler that could shift for a lorry
Possibly a 420 Cummins?
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Smiffy
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I had a lift a couple of times in new Zealand in the old 93d Scania v8s coupled to I think Eaton fuller boxes for the Oceanian market. The bloke driving them was nick named chopper and was all of 5ft tall but but 5ft round aswell. And he could make them fly. You would think you where going to takeoff coming over the top of the mountains. It was the first ride I had had in a lorry and was absolutely awesome!!!!!
Bri963
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After the Paccar takeover you could have a Foden with Rolls, Cummins or Cat. The Cats weren’t popular over here. They also started offering ally crossmembers and cable gear linkage, which worked on Oz or the US where you had long straight roads, but over here was an unmitigated pain as they quickly went out of adjustment with continual gear changing.I know of a foden tractor unit stretched to a 6wheeler that could shift for a lorry
Vinpetrol
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Very nice but too dear for me . That price highlights what a good deal the original wasIt's a lot more money than the original
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Smiffy
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Any use @Vinpetrol
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V8Druid
do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
just think what that's been carrying/doing thoughAny use @Vinpetrol
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pettsy
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Can’t say as I’ve seen a hooklift gritter body before. Could give another option of work in winter time?
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Smiffy
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just think what that's been carrying/doing though
Would need a good inspection but chances are it's done bugger all tbh.
I get the impression the lads don't like using the multi role trucks. They seem to get left in the yard in favour of the dedicated units.
Quattromike
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They don't get cold weather up at the morayfirth
V8Druid
do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
looking at the pic of the skip interior it's done bugger all
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