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sioncoop

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Hi,

Does anybody have any information on how to get start up funds to start a hire business? Such as long term business loans etc?

Tha ks in advance
 
V8Druid

V8Druid

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Hi,

Does anybody have any information on how to get start up funds to start a hire business? Such as long term business loans etc?

Tha ks in advance
what you planning on hiring out?
 
Gunners

Gunners

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Chicken or egg scenario. You need money to start the plant hire business, but you need the machine to get the money.... Tough call which comes first
 

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JD450A

JD450A

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Especially hiring to people in an industry that will be one of the first/worst hit in a downturn.
Even in the best of times, your never going to hire to large companies as a start up. That relegates you to hiring to Chaz and Dave the builders or Gerald the geriatric or if your really unlucky Nobend Watzog.

Chaz and Dave will hire a wackerplate, you won't see it for six months and when it's returned will be told they are "really sorry the lads put it in the store by mistake and we thought we brought it back, we only used it for a week" despite the fresh mud you have two options. Charge them a weeks hire and listen to them laughing as they drive off into the sunset, but you will of gained a invaluable customer to break your gear and claim "it was like that when delivered " or charge them the full wack, and never have custom off then again and btw they will tell there pals Bert, Ernie and Jethro what a shower of s**t you are.

Gerald will hire the Wacker to do his patio, try haggling you as "he only wants it for half a hour" take it, use it badly on the mud he's going to lay his patio on, fill it with his two stroke mix that has been left in his shed from 2009 when he last used his strimmer and then return the plate..... He will need help in and out of his Nissan Sunny with the plate and might also get some new car trim out of you where "your lad damaged it loading it"

Nobend Watzog will hire a plate using a I.D and credit card registered to Kermit the frog who is his boss..... This hire won't cause you any stress as he will simply take the plate back to Romania.

Think I've summed it all up there.

FYI a pal runs a small hire business going from drills - 3t or there abouts.... It's carnage and basically pays wages.... But paying wages allows the repair and lawnmower sales side to earn money.
 
Lancs Lad

Lancs Lad

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Even in the best of times, your never going to hire to large companies as a start up. That relegates you to hiring to Chaz and Dave the builders or Gerald the geriatric or if your really unlucky Nobend Watzog.

Chaz and Dave will hire a wackerplate, you won't see it for six months and when it's returned will be told they are "really sorry the lads put it in the store by mistake and we thought we brought it back, we only used it for a week" despite the fresh mud you have two options. Charge them a weeks hire and listen to them laughing as they drive off into the sunset, but you will of gained a invaluable customer to break your gear and claim "it was like that when delivered " or charge them the full wack, and never have custom off then again and btw they will tell there pals Bert, Ernie and Jethro what a shower of s**t you are.

Gerald will hire the Wacker to do his patio, try haggling you as "he only wants it for half a hour" take it, use it badly on the mud he's going to lay his patio on, fill it with his two stroke mix that has been left in his shed from 2009 when he last used his strimmer and then return the plate..... He will need help in and out of his Nissan Sunny with the plate and might also get some new car trim out of you where "your lad damaged it loading it"

Nobend Watzog will hire a plate using a I.D and credit card registered to Kermit the frog who is his boss..... This hire won't cause you any stress as he will simply take the plate back to Romania.

Think I've summed it all up there.

FYI a pal runs a small hire business going from drills - 3t or there abouts.... It's carnage and basically pays wages.... But paying wages allows the repair and lawnmower sales side to earn money.
Bang on. Well trodden ground this...what's going to be your USP? Why will someone hire from you rather than the likes of FTH etc? Who have all new kit, cracking service huge stocks and not a rip off? Probably Coz your easier to do over...good luck.
 
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Russell

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I worked it out recently and it didn't look very appealing to me.
3t digger is £40,000
Hi rate is £75+ a day so 40,000÷75 =533.4days.
533.4×7= 3733 hours
With 3733 hours and the 10years of age it will take to accrue said hours the machine will be worth £10-15,000?
So 10 years and loads of work to earn £10-15,000 from £40,000 invested and that's not taking anything else in to account like tracks and maintenance.
 
doobin

doobin

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I worked it out recently and it didn't look very appealing to me.
3t digger is £40,000
Hi rate is £75+ a day so 40,000÷75 =533.4days.
533.4×7= 3733 hours
With 3733 hours and the 10years of age it will take to accrue said hours the machine will be worth £10-15,000?
So 10 years and loads of work to earn £10-15,000 from £40,000 invested and that's not taking anything else in to account like tracks and maintenance.
No it isn't. If you are hiring you would be VAT registered, plus paying less than 33k for a machine. Also hire machines don't avererage anything like 7 hours a day.

Still not appealing though, I agree.
 
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Russell

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Yes well take the vat off the new price and recon on a bit less for a sale price, it's very vague math's but made it apparent to me at least, that there isn't loads of money in hiring.
 
GazCro

GazCro

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The hire job is a numbers game, just one or two machines and the pittance return isn't worth the hassle. But if you've heaps of kit it adds up but so does the hassle. There are very few small outfits which specialise solely on hiring machines out they usually have something else to offer like muck away agg supplies etc to make the money off.
Re hours on machines for every weekend warrior who works night and day to get the job done for as cheap a hire as poss there's plenty who keep a mini digger on site for a week or two because its "handy" to have just in case. My 1 ton dumper has just come back from 6 weeks on hire and I know for a fact will have barely done a full weeks work but it was one of those jobs where there was something for it to do every day which saved enough graft to justify keeping it there.
 
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Brendan

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Two ways, either own/lease machinery or negotiate rates with a lot of plant companies and act as a middle man. The few times I hire now is from the latter, they must have some fantastic rates as always cheaper than direct and even on my account at local hire company and that's to the point where a week's hire was equal to a single days hire for a forced action mixer.

Personally would never hire my kit out.

As Rory said you will attract all the people who will not give a toss about your kit, it will be damaged with quotes along the lines of "it turned up like that" even if the kit was box fresh, off the delivery wagon. Generally hired by the weekend warrior or Bob who is trying to save some money on his extension/landscaping/patio who has never as much as played with a toy excavator let alone tracked a machine. Your kit will be used as a battering ram and just abused and good luck trying to get money back for the damages.

Don't get me wrong there are people making money on it, have seen someone with quite a few bobcats and the large companies all survive so must be some money in it, bit you need all the associated bits, yard/storage (unless you lucky to have your kit go straight from one site to the next), vehicles to transport plus the driver, CPC, tacho (unless you get companies to transport your kit) a fitter, then all the insurance on top
 
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6feetdown

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I looked at doing it 2 years ago but like you said you need the numbers for it to stack up. Either that or specialist kit
 
Regy53

Regy53

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I worked it out recently and it didn't look very appealing to me.
3t digger is £40,000
Hi rate is £75+ a day so 40,000÷75 =533.4days.
533.4×7= 3733 hours
With 3733 hours and the 10years of age it will take to accrue said hours the machine will be worth £10-15,000?
So 10 years and loads of work to earn £10-15,000 from £40,000 invested and that's not taking anything else in to account like tracks and maintenance.
It’s not like that in reality though ,

Depends on your customer base. I have seen some staggering info on hire revenue etc.

We have also sold machine (compact) 3 years old for more than purchase price a good few times now which isn’t us being greedy its the price rises and the like
 
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Brendan

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Not sure if this is right.....
So let's say a new machine and sell in 3 years when warranty is up and taking advantage of a 0% finance

Bobcat E10 no idea what they are new now but let's say 15k spread over 3 years is £420 a month if you can keep it on hire every week for £150 that's £180 a month profit. End of the 3 year term £6480 plus the sale price of the machine £10k if your lucky so not far off so a total of hire and sale of £16.5k

Seen a price for a e26 at not far off 32k based on the same pay over 3 years and sell off your looking at £890 a month and considering you can hire a 3t for £220 a week If you managed to keep it out every week for the year that's a £120 loss so for the 3 years a loss of £360 and then if your lucky £25k for the machine so a total loss of £7360. Ok you could spread the machine to 5 years, which takes the monthly to £535 so £345 a month profit, so £12420 for the 3 years plus the 25k is £37420 then minus the £12.8k remaining in the finance for a total of £24620

Of course the machines won't be out all year and you can get a premium for single and two day hires, but you still need insurances, delivery vehicle, repairs that won't be under warranty, yard/storage, even finance rates if couldn't get 0%

The only way they seem to make money on paper is when the machine is sold, unless of course the machines completely paid off after a few years, then the E10 would be 7.2k a year and the e26 10.5k
 
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