JD450A
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They'd have f****ng kittens if they met me
Routy56
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Now I wonder why on earth they would pick on youThey'd have f****ng kittens if they met me
JD450A
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I do like a spot of fishing.Now I wonder why on earth they would pick on you
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Lancs Lad
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Twitter. What a cesspool of utter ratsh*t.
Its handy for the odd news update etc but seriously some of the stuff
I avoid it generally as i'd just end up been banned.
craig
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Updated guide for catagorisation of defects, from September,
This is from the light vehicle section, but its the same in the HGV section. Effectively making front to back flip net obsolete on muck away/aggregate trucks, or only carrying 15t.
Never seen a load bearing rated sheet
Security of Load (see notes 10 to 22) Insecure load that shows evidence of movement or is likely to move and presents an immediate danger or is likely to cause danger of injury. No load securing. (see note 20). Load securing is grossly inadequate either because of its condition, securing method or lack of lashings. More than a 30 cm gap between load and headboard (see note 10). Unstable load affecting vehicle stability or likely to topple from vehicle. Bulkhead damaged or not completely protecting the passenger compartment from forward movement of the load. (see note 10). Items loaded over the height of the headboard (see notes 10, 11). Unsheeted load in bulk tipper, skip or sided flatbed body. Load in a tipper above the height of the fixed sides (see note 14). Continued overleaf... I I I I I I I I Unless other suitable means of preventing movement have been used. A single indivisible item may be loaded over the height of the headboard if the headboard supports it to the height of the centre of gravity. This is poor practice but there may be no other suitable attachment points. Curtains that are bulging due to wood-chip loads can be considered as IN provided they are carried in a chip liner. Unless a rigid cover or a rated sheet completely covers and secures the load without any gaps. Any winch cable should be attached but is not classed as securing. Damaged vehicles can be secured by lashing over the vehicle. Unless secured on a commercial transporter vehicle. Continued overleaf...
Even if you`ve tried,
Load appears safe but not secured in accordance with published guidance.
Apologies. its not coped and pasted very good, as it is shown in the document
This is from the light vehicle section, but its the same in the HGV section. Effectively making front to back flip net obsolete on muck away/aggregate trucks, or only carrying 15t.
Never seen a load bearing rated sheet
Security of Load (see notes 10 to 22) Insecure load that shows evidence of movement or is likely to move and presents an immediate danger or is likely to cause danger of injury. No load securing. (see note 20). Load securing is grossly inadequate either because of its condition, securing method or lack of lashings. More than a 30 cm gap between load and headboard (see note 10). Unstable load affecting vehicle stability or likely to topple from vehicle. Bulkhead damaged or not completely protecting the passenger compartment from forward movement of the load. (see note 10). Items loaded over the height of the headboard (see notes 10, 11). Unsheeted load in bulk tipper, skip or sided flatbed body. Load in a tipper above the height of the fixed sides (see note 14). Continued overleaf... I I I I I I I I Unless other suitable means of preventing movement have been used. A single indivisible item may be loaded over the height of the headboard if the headboard supports it to the height of the centre of gravity. This is poor practice but there may be no other suitable attachment points. Curtains that are bulging due to wood-chip loads can be considered as IN provided they are carried in a chip liner. Unless a rigid cover or a rated sheet completely covers and secures the load without any gaps. Any winch cable should be attached but is not classed as securing. Damaged vehicles can be secured by lashing over the vehicle. Unless secured on a commercial transporter vehicle. Continued overleaf...
Even if you`ve tried,
Load appears safe but not secured in accordance with published guidance.
Apologies. its not coped and pasted very good, as it is shown in the document
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Smiffy
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Updated guide for catagorisation of defects, from September,
This is from the light vehicle section, but its the same in the HGV section. Effectively making front to back flip net obsolete on muck away/aggregate trucks, or only carrying 15t.
Never seen a load bearing rated sheet
Security of Load (see notes 10 to 22) Insecure load that shows evidence of movement or is likely to move and presents an immediate danger or is likely to cause danger of injury. No load securing. (see note 20). Load securing is grossly inadequate either because of its condition, securing method or lack of lashings. More than a 30 cm gap between load and headboard (see note 10). Unstable load affecting vehicle stability or likely to topple from vehicle. Bulkhead damaged or not completely protecting the passenger compartment from forward movement of the load. (see note 10). Items loaded over the height of the headboard (see notes 10, 11). Unsheeted load in bulk tipper, skip or sided flatbed body. Load in a tipper above the height of the fixed sides (see note 14). Continued overleaf... I I I I I I I I Unless other suitable means of preventing movement have been used. A single indivisible item may be loaded over the height of the headboard if the headboard supports it to the height of the centre of gravity. This is poor practice but there may be no other suitable attachment points. Curtains that are bulging due to wood-chip loads can be considered as IN provided they are carried in a chip liner. Unless a rigid cover or a rated sheet completely covers and secures the load without any gaps. Any winch cable should be attached but is not classed as securing. Damaged vehicles can be secured by lashing over the vehicle. Unless secured on a commercial transporter vehicle. Continued overleaf...
Even if you`ve tried,
Load appears safe but not secured in accordance with published guidance.
Apologies. its not coped and pasted very good, as it is shown in the document
That really is a case of why bother. Complete law to themselves and absolutely adamant to destroy any form of actual work from this country
JD450A
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IMHO the demise of the s**t auto sheet has been long overdue. Particularly on Skip Lorries. Should never of been allowed in the f****ng first place.
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Smiffy
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Need a reasonable alternative though.
Same as on tippers.
The roll over covers are far to delicate for muckaway. The sliding covers would need machine drivers to not spill anything. So we are going to end up with loads being manually sheeted. Until someone comes up with an alternative.
Realistically gready boards and a low level load should be perfectly acceptable but we all know that won't happen.
JD450A
Feral as Fk 🐾
Realistically the solution is a roll over cover with a bungy cord and a driver with a hook on a stick like the RoRo's.... works well if drivers can be arsed to get out and Use them.
Trouble is drivers are f****ng lazy, and or paid on bonus.
Solution with skips is a ordinary net. Autosheets on chain lift skip loaders are a waste of time and make the lorry too wide to get in places.
Trouble is drivers are f****ng lazy, and or paid on bonus.
Solution with skips is a ordinary net. Autosheets on chain lift skip loaders are a waste of time and make the lorry too wide to get in places.
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DaveDCB
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I’ve loaded hundred and hundreds of wagons over the years, I can’t ever recall a single driver getting out and even walking around the wagon before he set off! Just flick the sheet over and away they go! 
craig
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The best bet with skips, but can you get a `rated` net? Guessing they mean load rated, I`ve never seen any, but could be done I guess, which opens up to other hassle, of having rated lashing eyes over sheeting hooks, ratchets over bungee cord.
JD450A
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I used to use either Cargo or fishing net, both of which have a rated capacity. Lets face it anything over a 1t capacity and it's no bother.
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Smiffy
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The sheet with bungees won't stop the load falling out on a roll over though which is what they have decided is required. Only solution I think would be a system like on the big ejector floors. This would also self clean the sides of any material balanced up there. And still be cab operated. As for skip covers my mate had a conventional sheet on a sprung roller behind the cab to store it. Was absolute junk as without the arms of the quick sheet to lift it over it constantly snagged on the load and got torn
diggerjones
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I’ve loaded hundred and hundreds of wagons over the years, I can’t ever recall a single driver getting out and even walking around the wagon before he set off! Just flick the sheet over and away they go!
I've loaded a fair few 8 wheelers resently with big pieces of concrete with reinforcing mesh everywhere. Not 1 driver ever got out and looked at the load before they hurtled off.Lazy wagon drivers, the decent ones lift the body abit when 3/4 the way through loading, drop it when full and pull out the way before you can get the next bucket full in
JD450A
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There we go.... No chains for me now just strappy straps and duct tape
Driver nearly killed by bulldozer blade in horror crash
Peter Knight was responsible for a catalogue of failings which caused the smash near Okehampton in 2020
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Smiffy
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There we go.... No chains for me now just strappy straps and duct tape
Driver nearly killed by bulldozer blade in horror crash
Peter Knight was responsible for a catalogue of failings which caused the smash near Okehampton in 2020www.devonlive.com
That is a truly terrible piece of journalism.
And if that's all the details that the dvsa give out then how is anyone meant to improve. And average Joe's estimation of a lorry's speed should not be acknowledged as 90% of car drivers seem to think lorry's are going to fast when they are parked up with the engine off.
He may have been going to fast but that should be witnessed by the tacho.
Grahams
Don't complain - suggest what's better
It seems rural areas have a different view of safe load to everyone else . I was working between Liverpool and Southport recently, staying out in the countryside. Every morning there was shed material on the road, potatoes, grain, carrots and even bricks on every corner.
Lancs Lad
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...that's not exactly a true representation of the rural areas...that's just the load shed from the nights takings from the scousors on their way home
you survived intact so that's a bonus.
Grahams
Don't complain - suggest what's better
There is that. It is a regular job, every six months and we had to move where we stay as the vehicles got broken into twice....that's not exactly a true representation of the rural areas...that's just the load shed from the nights takings from the scousors on their way home
Lancs Lad
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That's naff...
DM me the locations if you like and I'll see if I can advise a better spot...
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